Is the 30 Outlaw worth the money over a 29?

[saleen367]

<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>I'm wondering how much money the 30 OL is worth to people.

I know a similar equipped 30 vs. 29 is approximately $10k more. But then I also wonder how many people would really order a 30 stripped down as cheap as they could.</FONT><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Results (total votes = 25):</FONT><table bgcolor=#FFFFFF border=0 cellpadding=3 cellspacing=0 width="75%">
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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Worth every penny!</FONT>&nbsp</td>
<td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>4&nbsp;/&nbsp;16.0%</FONT>&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/bar.gif width=48 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr>
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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Close but the 29 is a much better bang per buck</FONT>&nbsp</td>
<td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>5&nbsp;/&nbsp;20.0%</FONT>&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/bar.gif width=60 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr>
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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Jury's out on this one. Wait and see what time tells.</FONT>&nbsp</td>
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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>Not even close. No way would I pay that kind of ching for that thing!</FONT>&nbsp</td>
<td height><FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>11&nbsp;/&nbsp;44.0%</FONT>&nbsp</td><td><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/bar.gif width=132 height=10 hspace=3>&nbsp;</td></tr>
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<FONT FACE="Verdana,Arial" SIZE=2>With all that technology, I'd pay more. It will be worth it down the road.</FONT>&nbsp</td>
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[bottomless pit]

You can Buy a new 33 outlaw for about the same money.

[missouri]

What pit said! /\ /\
I thought it was more like $20 to 30k higher loaded?
I think you need to bring that 25 ol down to LOTO and enjoy it for awhile w/ us...your working to hard on this brother :bigsmilebounce ...either grab a 29 cheap or wait for the results and prices to drop on 30's....or grab the 33 for the same money....whatever happens, it's your money so satisfy yourself....a lot of us wish we had to make that decision....

hhmmmmm, aaaa you won't be getting a new tow vehicle TOO will you! :o
:rocker :cheers

[GottaHaveIt]

The 29 Outlaw has been around for several years. It's a great boat and there are a lot of them on the lakes we boat on.

The 30 is a new boat. Very few will be out there this coming season. If someone desires to have the newest thing on the water, the 30 is it, for now. Once the newness wears off the price should come down accordingly with incentives from Baja.

If money were not the issue I'd get the 30 because it's different. Price wise, a 29 or 33 is an alternative.

As for the 33, true there are a lot of them out there priced competitively against the new 30. That's because of the incentives the 33 has, since it's been on the market a few years now.

[saleen367]

Thanks for the input.:rocker

I looked at the 29 and beyond the curved deck I liked it.
Why?
I think mostly because it has the softer interior. I know the 30 has the galley and head, but to me the 30 seems a bit too impersonal in the cabin. I like the liner idea in the cabin, but I don't like seeing it everywhere I look. And who in the heck decided the liner should be grey? Why not make it white and a little less obvious? The 29 is more what I think a boat should look like in the cabin.

Almost all the other mfg's use white liners and incorporate the head and galley into the mold. Seems Baja used the liner as an afterthought. I would post a pic of another mfg but it chews band width. Got a pic here if you can view:
www.offshoreonly.com/foru...post838572 (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=838572#post838572)

On the other hand I love the cockpit of the 30!! There is no comparison IMO. The design of the hull and deck just rocks. It looks bad ass from any angle.

I've priced the 29 at around $95-99k. The 30 with no galley and similar options comes in around $108-110k. Now if the 30 could only be ordered as the 29 comes, then its a no brainer. But it would seem the galley is a resale item and needs to be had.

And, yeah, you're right, I am thinking into this too much. :evil

I was told also that the reason the 29's are being phased out is because the molds are so bad that Baja would have to re-tool and make new molds to continue them.

[billsbaja25]

saleen367 i am with you! looking to trade my 25 for a 33 or a 30 with the deals and incentives the 33 is 1000 more than the 30, but the 30 does have the cool cockpit.
would be nice to actually know somebody to see if the 30 actually does 78 mph with ho's. I do not want to buy a boat that ran 78 down at florida because I boat in indiana!
It's a tough decision!!! :beathead :beathead

[saleen367]

Bill,

Hawkeye in IA swears by it that they run 78 with HO's. The salesmen told me straight up that they already GPS'd one when it came in.

I'd like to think it was true ... but .... ?

[ckmansell]

I got it from a person I know was not lying. He has not been in one with HO's, but he did gps a 30 with 6.2's at 68mph. Based on this I would say 78 with HO's seems close.

[billsbaja25]

well... the Baja guy at the cleveland boat show told me the 30 would go 72mph with the 6.2's, the mags would go 74 and the ho's would go 78???

[ckmansell]

Very possible. Depending upon conditions, results could vary. At least we now have at least two people saying that at the very least we should see 68+ with 6.2's. Not to shabby in my book. Faster than the 29 with 6.2's, which by the way is lighter. ummm....

[MXBAJA421]

Worth the money, I would have to say no after seeing
the 30 at the o.p. boat show. Don't get me wrong but
for that kind of money there are very nice 33's out there
at a good price.
:readthis

[Reload]

I would get the 30, it's NEW. The 29 is OLD/outdated, don't make em anymore. But that's just my opinion.

[Seize n Ticket]

29 all the way...guess I am a little biased here. :bigwave

[OUTLAW 29]

I would get the 30, it's NEW. The 29 is OLD/outdated, don't make em anymore. But that's just my opinion.

No doubt the 30's a cool boat but MXBAJA421 hit the nail on the head. The 30 still has a fairly high price and is the only boat in the lineup with no incentives - Baja must think we were all born yesterday.

[jt29olhp500s]

I havent even seen one yet in person,
but, for the $$$ they're asking,
looks like my next ride will be a used
33 or 36.



jt

[hp500]

jt29olhp500s
I just sold a brand new 2003 33 Outlaw SST last night at the Louisville boat show with twin 496 mag HOs for the same price as the 2004 30 outlaw with 496 mag HOs:skull

[pancepance]

HP,
Are you a dealer?

[hp500]

pancepance
No I am not a dealer I grew up with the webb brother and I just help with the boat show:skull

[saleen367]

I've come to the conclusion that the 30 is overpriced and lacks details and engineering in the cabin dept.

I decided to try frantically to get to Miami and view the competition and decide for myself.

For the same money I can buy a Sonic 31 SS, Sunsation Dominator 32 and Profile 31. They all have a similar look and run like the wind as well. Plus they have a much better cabin design and layout. Each of these have a fully molded liner that implements the galley and head. Not only that, they all have extra lighting and much more padding on seating areas.

[Seize n Ticket]

Jeff,
Make sure you look the Profile over very good, especially along the rub rail. The one I just looked at last weekend at the Overland Park Boat Show was nice at a distance. Once you were close though was a very different story. That boat had more waves in it than the ocean. I was shocked they would even put it on the floor for display. While I was there looking at it I heard several other people talking about the waves and poor workmanship. It was so bad outside...I didn't even look inside. :noway

[ckmansell]

That ain't no joke. Profile has always been that a way. They should not have been mentioned in the same class of boat as a Baja, Sonic..etc...They do have an expensive price tag, but even a non-boater can clearly see all the short cuts on the boat. They kind of remind me of the old Bayliner's.

Given you other choices, well that is a toss up. If you like a deep cockpit, go with Sonic. If you have ever been in a Sunsation you will know what I mean. However, your only drawback is Sonic is one rough riding boat. They advertise something like 23 deadrise but I think it is more like a 21. They ride terrible on rough water. Fast though. I wish you luck.

[Reload]

Speaking of Profile, My friend has a 27, the thing is a piece of crap. It is fast, when it runs! (he has a blown 502 crate motor). But the thing can't even come close to my 25 OL in the rough water. and it has a serious listing problem. The hull's are junk.

[saleen367]

Thanks for the heads up on Profile. I knew they were a small time operation but had no idea they were that bad.

Tell me more about Sunsation and Sonic if you know. I take it Sunsation is a shallow boat? The one thing I don't like about Sonic is the stupid railing they run across the top of the gunwales of the cockpit.

Any opinions or other options I should consider?

Keep in mind this doesn't eliminate Baja as a front runner. It just gives me options and a chance to compare and tell the Baja Rep what I like and don't like while in Miami.

[MXBAJA421]

My friend has a 27 the thing is a piece of crap

There is this one 27 profile at l.o.t.o. that runs 70 TO 80
MPH, But it is a P.O.S. - :handball

[bajacraig]

We looked at a profile
It looked ok to me but I don't know chit about boats :rolleyes
The price looked GOOD and I liked the cuddie size vs a fountain

[saleen367]

Learned this morning that Sunsation won't even be in Miami for the show.
Now I have to decide if I want to go or save the money for fuel.:rocker

[MR BAJA]

Good morning all from Super Bowl Central Houston...it's overcast, and about 55 here...great boating weather!!! (as my Father in law would say)....

I am at work now and have been following this thread on the 29 vs the 30 for a while now regarding price, styling and the talk of the "Beak Boats, Pro-what's and Sunsat..I...I cannot even finish that sentence:beathead on this Awesome BAJA site Blake has kindly put together for us....and I would like to offer any assistance to anyone who has questions on the Baja (Yes, I know I am opening a can of worms). All I ask is for everyone to remember I cannot answer "everything" and to keep an open mind...I am one of the "good guys" (I like to think :biggrin ).

Regarding the price of the 30...the answer is; Just because it is the "New" and the "Latest and Greatest" does not mean that prices will go down after it "wears off"...in fact prices have gone up across the board....my 33 OL's now are at least $7K more this year than last year, yep, that really bites. But the fact of the matter is that not only Baja, but Cig, Fountain, Sonic, Eliminator or whoever's prices have gone up as well. Why? Because the rising cost of motors, manufacturing, shipping, fuel and the list goes on. Good grief, "My" cost have gone up as well:( ,try explaining that to an angry mob of people who ask me every day "Why don't you put bigger motors in this" or "Why don't you order anyting with blue motors in it", could you imagine the cost then if people are complaining about price now? I can. A good example of price, at last years B.S. I sold a 2003 29 OL SST with twin HO's for the same price as my 2004 30 with MAG's...(refer to Gotta Have It's B.S. pricing pics) (IMO) not to bad considering the technology and the "New, latest and greatest" 30' boat with twin BIG BLOCKS...(something many other MFG's are not offering in that size range) and the fact it is still cheaper than a 302. The only thing you will see however is rebates in the future on the 30 or on whatever Baja decides to "unveil", unfortunately even I do not know when that will be, sorry.

Now, keep in mind (Hopefully) all boats float, go backwards, forwards and give you and your families enjoyment, what it comes down to is what you like...that is what counts. Also, there is a butt for every seat..so as long as people buy them..Baja and whoever will keep building them. Remember..."Dollar for dollar, bang for the buck you will not beat a Baja". When looking at the competition pay close attention to FREEBOARD, 24 Degree "V"'s and "entertainment" room and "actual hull length" or "running surface". Also remember "anyone can go fast on flat water, what can you do in the rough"...yes, that is a challange:armed

Oh, to answer 29 vs 30...the interior of the 29 with the goods of the 30!

Just my .02 ya'll, no harm or pun intended so try not to butcher me too bad:samurai

MR BAJA

[bajaneil]

Mr. Baja,

Don't mean to change the subject, but, am I understanding correctly that you owned a 33 outlaw with ho's and now you have a 30 with mags??

[MR BAJA]

Hey there bajaneil!

So, sorry for the mis-communication. I at one time owned a Hammer, than a wicked 25 OL and now I run a 33 OL for my company. I have a 30 OL on my showroom floor....

Have a good one,
MR BAJA

[saleen367]

Neil,

I believe that MRBAJA is a dealer, salesman, owner or floor sweeper at a local Texas dealership (tried to throw in the gamut of possibilities) thus him referring to "my" as being the dealerships.

MRBAJA ... thanks for your input. You have no idea what your postings mean to some considering you are an "insider". It gives us some credibility instead of guessing or writing a speculative statement. Thank you ... keep it coming.

Having said that, I need to voice a bit of displeasure as to Baja's direction in the cabin of the 30 OL. I too agree that the 30 should have had a 29 cabin or at very least a much softer or integrated liner design.
As you well know most other mfg's have gone to a cabin liner and made them look quite nice. Baja seems to have come up with a modified version making it half liner, half old school galley and head made of 70's materials, which to me looks ridiculous. I posted some pics of other cabins that I think look much nicer.
www.teambajamarine.com/Co...php?cat=37 (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/index.php?cat=37)
Feel free to disagree. But I think most realize that while Baja has a handle on the hull and cockpit, it lacks in cabin engineering.

Personally I would rather pay a little less and get a 29 OL cabin than to pay more and get a piecemealed alternative.

Honest ... this is the only thing holding me back from a 30 OL and I can't imagine others don't feel the same. If I'm going to pay $$$ for a 30 vs 29, then it should show improved value everywhere and incorporate the standards of some of the top builders.
Bang for buck, Baja does have a lot to offer. Thats what makes the 25 OL a phenomenal hit.

Do me a favor and show my examples to some Reps so they know what the hell I am talking about. Hopefully they will make a change in the future.

[MR BAJA]

Hey Jeff,

I totally agree with you about the cabin as do mannnnnnny others...including well.... I will not go there. Don't worry, "the powers that be" monitor this site verrrrrry well...the more you talk about...the more they know.

Anyway, ahve a good one and don't be afraid to ask questions...that is where I hope to help (where I can).


MR FLOOR SWEAPER...oops, MR BAJA...(com'on man).

[TeamBajaMarine]

But then on the flip side there are those who love the interior of the 30 OL, like myself. I was going for the 33 OL before I decided on the 30OL and the 33 was just simply too much boat for my needs and the costs involved, bigger motors, more footage means higher marina fees, higher insurance and so on. I think Baja did a great job with the 30 cabin.

And we all know the powers to be sit back and read the site with their morning coffee, they have the addication just like us.

Mr. Baja, I am happy to have you around with a dealer perspective on things. We had one before, and he disappeared, but it looks like your hear to stay as the TBM bug has already reeled you in.

[ckmansell]

Blake you make a great point. When I originally started this debate, I suggested they offer both. Reason being is that this is such a radical change. Most of us are used to the soft plush style cabins. I realize there will be folks who love the new style. The simple solution is to offer the cabin two ways.

I do see a plus side though. With the new style I would not have to get onto the kids all the time about staying out of the cabin when they are wet. 0]

[saleen367]

MR FLOOR SWEEPER...oops, MR BAJA...(com'on man).
I just knew you were gonna bust my chops on this.
Glad you read it as a joke and not a flame. I'm just damn glad to have your input in here.

Began to feel I was the only one overlooking the brilliance of Baja's design team.

In all fairness to Blake and those that love it, it's not necessarily the layout I dislike. I don't mind at all how the cabin's space is used. It's the quality of materials used for them and the cold feeling to the whole thing that concerns me. I'm sorry, but it just looks cheap!

If and when Blake posts some of the pic's I posted of other cabins, you'll notice a remarkable difference. Some even have a very similar layout, but check out the materials used and how things look 1st class.

I have a business moto:
Do it right the 1st time, so someone else doesn't have to. Half ass doesn't cut it with me, sorry. Set the standard, lead the pack and break new ground.

[saleen367]

Blake must be busy, so I set up a link to view what I think would be nice to see in the 30's cabin.

www.offshoreonly.com/foru...tid=843489 (http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=843489)

www.teamcarolinamarine.co...abin01.jpg (http://www.teamcarolinamarine.com/images/Sonic31SS/Sonic31SSCabin01.jpg)

www.teamcarolinamarine.co...ghting.jpg (http://www.teamcarolinamarine.com/images/Sonic31SS/Sonic31SSOffsetLighting.jpg)

www.sunsationboats.com/im...448711.jpg (http://www.sunsationboats.com/images/fullscreen/7N448711.jpg)

www.sunsationboats.com/im...2_int2.jpg (http://www.sunsationboats.com/images/fullscreen/32_int2.jpg)

[TeamBajaMarine]

Jeff,
Thanks for the links, I think that if I throw a few of my own personal touches in the cabin, I will be very happy. A few plush pillows and anodized cupholders will make a world of difference. I do agree that the all white look is cold, but I still like the layout and the concept. So I guess I will settle.

[haulinvols]

Well, it looks as if I'll just have to go off of the info and opinions from others on the site a little while longer. Our dealer was supposed to have a 30 at the show this weekend but unfortunately the boat Baja was loaning him while his was being built was damaged at a prior engagement. Keep the info flowing guys, its all I have for now.

[OUTLAW 29]

Those Sonic cabins are the $hits and whoever thought of that slide-out center section really had his thinking cap on.

As far all that stuff they always put in the cabin for the photos - that's all-show/no-go. In the real world you know all that $hit's laying all the floor after about 5 seconds of running.

[ckmansell]

Watch it now, I resemble that remark.:rollin

[davesoutlaw]

Had a chance to go to my baja dealer yesterday and sae the 30 o/l and a 04 29 sse. in comparison I really like the 30 over the 29 and after speaking with the sales rep I am impressed with the new construction no more silicone. the price was not to much different the 29 sse with 496 mags was 105k, and the 30 o/l with 496 mag ho was 136k both had about the same options in them. one day will upgrade to a 30:biggrin

[bajaneil]

the price was not to much different the 29 sse with 496 mags was 105k, and the 30 o/l with 496 mag ho was 136k both had about the same options in them.

That is a major difference in my opinion!

I'll take the 33.

[saleen367]

You want to compare apple to apples, call Hawkeye in IA. They have an 04 29 SSE with a yellow deck and HO's they just got in. Price out that bad boy and compare $$$. I gotta believe they'll ask $124k with the other 2 - 29's they have asking $109 w/Mag's.

[davesoutlaw]

Thats what I was trying to get at if you put the ho's in a 29 your only about 10-12k off of a 30 with all the new technology

[saleen367]

Had taken from the OSO forum ... poster from OSO emailed and was not pleased I cross-posted his/her info on the demo ride. Did not want the info shared with those on TBM.
:spineyes

Guess I should have taken Internet Forums Copyrighting 101. :tiphat

[getter done]

I had my 29ol with 496mags at the Ski Dock boat show last weekend. Went head to head with the 30ol. The 29 and the 30 were the same speed. :biggrin

[saleen367]

getter done,
Is that top speed of 73 correct then?

[OUTLAW 29]

I had my 29ol with 496mags at the Ski Dock boat show last weekend. Went head to head with the 30ol. The 29 and the 30 were the same speed.

So much for wind tunnels...

[ckmansell]

Had taken from the OSO forum ... poster from OSO emailed and was not pleased I cross-posted his/her info on the demo ride. Did not want the info shared with those on TBM.

I remember reading that. It was by GottaHaveit. I wondered when you posted that why he had not posted it here since he was a very active member.

Now that I see that above, I made me think..ummmm...come to think of it he hasn't posted anything in a while. So I pulled his profile to get the date of his last post. This is what I got...GottaHaveit (http://pub47.ezboard.com/bteambajamarine.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gottahaveit@teambajamarine):biggrin
What did he do? Leave us?

[getter done]

Jeff, I don't know, but I would think arould 72 or 73.

Barry - 29 ol - Cowboy Up

[saleen367]

Curt,

I was a bit confused as well. Kinda thought that's what we are here for ... information to help us all. But he didn't like what I did.

I went to find the post in OSO so I could post a link to the original thread and it was gone ... vanished.
He's pulled the plug on everyone but Fastboats.com and I gotta (no pun intended) believe that one is coming.
It did say in his Fastboats profile he was moving soon to the Carolina's.
Didn't mean to p**s him off, but I wanted to share the demo speed results.

[TeamBajaMarine]

The ongoing nonsense between TBM ans OSO continues. I still dont get the loyalty thing over there.

[saleen367]

Blake,
I missed out on the hoopla over OSO. Could you bring some of us up to speed?

[TeamBajaMarine]

For those who still care, here is the link regarding TBM and OSO.

Guys lets keep these threads as opinions, not a bashing contest as I dont want to see the board go in the wrong direction, you guys have been doing great so far, but this thread is being brought to my attention by a few members. Remember everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and not to be bashed for it. Danka!:tiphat

pub47.ezboard.com/fteambajamarinefrm36.showMessage?topicID=3.topic (http://pub47.ezboard.com/fteambajamarinefrm36.showMessage?topicID=3.topic)

[ckmansell]

Blake, I hope my post did not come across as bashing. I have nothing against Chris. I was just merely pointing out that when I clicked on his profile I got "gottahaveit@teambajamarine does not exist" Wow, not only did he quit posting and scold another member for posting his comments, but it appears he even went one step further and deleted his account. Just seem uncharacteristic for him. Just thought people would find it as interesting as I did.

BTW, if you are looking for opinions and not bashing, well here is mine. Since he is no longer a member, it is my opinion that his photo should be removed as "photo of the month" and if you haven't sent his free t-shirt yet, DON'T.:biggrin

[TeamBajaMarine]

Very strange,
I just checked also and Chris is not in the MEMBER DIRECTORY nor does he have an account anymore. He emailed me last night about this and he says he didnt delete his account and wanted to know what happened. Only I can delete a member from the board, so I am very confused and surprised. Dont start crying foul just yet, Chris is one of our original members and has been here from the beginning and has supported us all the way. More importantly I need to find out what happened to his account. More info to follow.

[MR BAJA]

WOW,

Had a day off and look at what I missed!....

Just my .02....

Chris "Gotta have It" is one of my customers and probably one of the most loyal Baja owners I know. He is really a great guy (takes too many pics. sometimes...LOL.) but really a good guy. Any chance he gets he is always in my showroom poking around.....something strange is going on...? Hopefully none of what has happened is true but I have seen stranger??? Something is fishy around here IMO???

Have a good one ya'll,
HP500EFI

[OUTLAW 29]

The ongoing nonsense between TBM ans OSO continues. I still dont get the loyalty thing over there.

All this boating forum loyalty makes no sense at all. My primary loyalty is to myself and my quest for knowledge about boating stuff. Having multiple resources available is the best way to achieve this. With this “brand loyalty” nonsense, the only person that looses is you.

[BDannecker]

Gotta be a mistake! Chris is way too cool to blow us off. Besides, he lives on the internet - he'd have no place to go... :rollin

[missouri]

as much info as Chris puts on these boards I find this hard to believe, he can't delete his membership and is one of the best here at helping others....he may be upset that his 800+ post count is gone ...he was a member here and OSO before most of us knew this site existed....:nono
Take away a T-shirt....come on....thats petty...:nono

[ckmansell]

Dan I now get to use a line on you that you used on me once.

"That went right over your head."

Just josh'n guys.:rollin

[firehill19]

Wish i had time to go to the lake and i'd check to see if his house had sold and Baja on the lift.

[missouri]

just go o the pic's he posted of the Houston boat show...he set them up on his own pc if I remember right..if they are still there, then his home puter is still online...

LOL ck....at least I said u seemed like a nice guy when I said that....:lol

[NEWOUTLAW]

Surely does not sound like chris at all. :nono
We tried to email him and have not got a response back yet.

[GottaHaveIt]

Hey I made it back from the dead. Lost my login ID on the EZBoard for some reason. Tried to log in last week before I went on a trip. The only thing I can imagine that happened is I changed my AVATAR last week and my password. I thought it worked but I could not log on again the other day. I tried to delete the cookies from my browser but that didn't work either. So I had to log back in as a new user. I thought my username would not work (give me a message saying that name is already taken) but it worked.
So much for my 900 post count! :rolleyes

Alan and Carina, I never received any email messages from you! The last one I have is regarding the house-warming party info.

So the house is not sold, my 25 Outlaw is still on the lift, and my OSO account is deleted which is what I wanted since their Gold/Platinum membership requirement PO'd me I emailed them to remove my account as a show of my feelings but they not only did that, they poofed EVERY one of my posts over there!
That is not what I had in mind. Oh well. The Baja section there is active but the Baja section on SpeedWake is quite dead.

Consider this my Baja mainstay from now on. :party

Now how long is it going to take me to get my 900 post count back up? Hmmmmmmm...

As for the 30 Outlaw..
Yes! I finally got to drive one. It was the same spec as the Houston MarineMax 30. Twin 496 Mags, galley delete. I don't know what props it had but should have been 26 Bravo 1s.
The boat sits up noticeably higher than the other Baja's. That was easy to see since there were several Baja boats at the Lake Travis/Ski Dock On-the-water boat show. I did not get any good pix from Carlos N Charlie's upper deck since the sun was setting and the lighting was poor. The sun washed out the pics. There was a 33 Outlaw with Mag HOs that I wanted to drive but I was lucky to get in the 30. Right after we returned from the test run they put the covers on all the Bajas for the night. (I was in town on a long layover, called my buddy Ben who has a 99 342 with HP525SCs).
Well I'm no boat test guru but I did put it through a few small tests..had too many passengers in the boat to really thrash it). Ran WFO 77 indicated, and earlier they had a GPS and got 73 or 74 out of it. So I can't confirm that because the GPS wasn't in my hands. Hitting the rev limiters (hey, what's that beeping sound for? Oh the rev limiters..heheh).
Coming up on plane, the prop blowout was, in my opinion, quite excessive. With the tabs up, drives in, and 3,000 RPMs it took forever to come up on plane. Push it to 4,000 and it comes up much quicker. Tabs down and 4,000 and it comes up real quick. I'm not used to pushing 4K to get on plane with my lightweight single 25 Outlaw. ;) In fact that was the first time I've driven a twin engine Baja.
Did some 3,000 RPM tight turns at speed, and it took the turn in nicely, nice positive feel. Cut across a few cruiser wakes and they were basically a non issue. Ben said the stock silencer tips MUST GO! I totally agree. Even with the exhaust on loud, you could barely hear the engines at cruise speed!
Someone did mention that the 33 at the show gained 3 MPH by putting on regular tips.
The windshield placement is just right. Sitting in the seat I was just out of the wind blast. I had my regular glasses on (normally I boat with heavier tinted wraparound shades with corrective lenses, can't blow off...I lost a pair of new glasses at last summers' Lake Travis poker run). I wanted to see if the wind coming up over the deck was smooth or buffeting at speed but didn't want to risk losing my specs. So another question remains unanswered. The wind off my 25 is smooth, so when standing up and driving the boat, there is no buffeting.
There were a few other tests I wanted to do but didn't have time. Minimum planing speed, docking (salesman did that, I don't blame him). Tabs down VS tabs up tests, speed-at-RPM tests (IE, what speed the boat runs while cruising at 2,500, 3,000, 3,500 and 4,000 RPMs). I can't remember exactly what indicated RPM the rev limiters kicked in but it was somewhere around 4,800-5,000. I'm sure that a set of labbed 28s from Darin would be a good setup on the 30. The 26s are too small..stock 28s would be too much, for the 375 that is. 28s are what the Mag HOs come with so I'm told.
I have a couple of pics that will be in the photo section later.
My overall opinion about the 30 is that it looks like a lot more boat since it sits up higher out of the water (more freeboard).
Again I would have love to test the 30 and 33 back to back, and a 29. If I'd gotten there earlier that would have been so.

OK that's enough for now. I have to get some CBT time in (Computer Based Training) for work..pilot related stuff like security, flight ops, weather, etc. Four hours' worth in the next couple days. Good to do it right before bed because it makes me want to fall asleepzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[TeamBajaMarine]

Chris,
Glad to have you back and that everything is ok with you. Great report on your 30OL expierence. Have a look under your user name! I did it special for you. You deserve it.

[missouri]

what about this...did you e-mail him or someone over there take it upon themselves to say something :spineyes .....and how do we know your the real gottahaveit and not some imposter...:o :)

saleen367
Registered User
Posts: 147
(2/2/04 9:01 pm)
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Re: 29 vs. 30
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Had taken from the OSO forum ... poster from OSO emailed and was not pleased I cross-posted his/her info on the demo ride. Did not want the info shared with those on TBM.


Guess I should have taken Internet Forums Copyrighting 101.


Jeff - TBM Member # 725 2003 25 Outlaw 496HO

Edited by: saleen367 at: 2/4/04 7:07 pm

[GottaHaveIt]

The post on OSO was for them. Lots of 29/30 Outlaw discussion there. My post for the TBM crowd was going to be much more detailed but I could not log in so I never had a chance to post it here. Then the cross-post, which I didn't appreciate because it was over here before I could finish it!
Then the little blab about how I "didn't want to share the info with the TBM crowd" which is not true. I could not reply via PM (Private Messaging) to sallen367 on OSO because my membership ran out, then I could not defend myself here because I could not log on!

One thing about the internet that we've all run across..you can't really judge another persons' feelings, mood or intentions even with emoticons!

[GottaHaveIt]

Thanks Blake! :biggrin

I don't think I'll get my post count back as high as it was..my wife might put my computer in my boat and lock me out of the house! :spineyes

[bajacraig]

Welcome our newest member: GottaHaveIt

:lol

Welcome back, "from the dead" :lickthis

[GottaHaveIt]

Cool avatar! I'm still trying to get mine to work again.

[missouri]

:D I can understand that...the TBM part didn't sound like you,
thats why I was curious if you sent the e-mail....:)

but that doesn't prove it's really you...whats your soc. security #......8o

[bajacraig]

Cool avatar! I'm still trying to get mine to work again.

Thanks, I've had it for 4 months......have you been gone that long?

[BDannecker]

Chris,

I "will" you all 700 of my posts brother. :biggrin

Bruce...

[GottaHaveIt]

Craig, I was changing my avatar when all this mess started.

Now I'm working on a new avatar. I have a camera that takes "clip motion" images in .gif format but I need to work on the format and sizing to be sure it is compatible with the avatar specs on this forum.

[bajacraig]

I don’t know if you need to do any of that.
When I put this on it resized it's self.

[NEWOUTLAW]

Alan and Carina, I never received any email messages from you! The last one I have is regarding the house-warming party info.

Sorry thats what we meant, wasnt sure if you were ok or not, Carina says you usually reply pretty quick. I think she already talked to Terri, I think.
Good to have ya back!;)

[saleen367]

If I'd intended for this to be on TBM I'd have posted it there myself.
:direct from my email.

I'm not sure what it means to you but I took it that you didn't want to share the info.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't realize these written "blabs" as you put it are worth getting uptight about.

Anyone else can feel free to cross post anything I write anytime they want. If I need to update it, I can add comments to it later.;)

[thosetwins]

Just bought a 2004 SSE 29ol loaded w/ 496mags AND triple axel trailer just over 87k. The 30ol is a great boat but is was a no brainer for me to go with the 29. I did my homework most are paying 95k-100k for 29ols. This boat will do all i need without the huge$$$$ Just took delivery on Jan27! Awesome boat and the colors red,black,and some gray. I call that a resale winner in my book. Timing was everything on this purchase. Have owned 3 previous baja boats 91 bandit, 99 h2x, 01 272. Iam new to the board and like it alot! At OSO i go under new29ol. :)

[missouri]

welcome t'wins..your deal was the topic of another thread here.."deal", sounds more like a steal! :)

[thosetwins]

Thanks, iam luvin it:biggrin

[hp500]

Hello twins
Welcome aboard sounds like you got a grate deal. I know you are going to love your new toy. Have you got it out if so how does run with mags. I would like to see some pictures of it how about posting some of your new toy.

[thosetwins]

Yes took delivery on Jan 27. Water tested at lake lewisville. Only took a 3-4 runs because it was cold. She was running 77mph (on speedo) so we figured about 72-73mph on gps. Can i assume this? running B-1 26p prop. Will have to find out for sure when it warms up! I will post some pics, The only ones i have are when i first looked at it, before the triple trailer . Thanks to all for the warm welcome to the board. The people here seem totally cool.:biggrin btw that is not me in the pic http://boat0001

[thosetwins]

Maybe iam doing some thing wrong? I added the image? any info on posting pics would be great. THANKS

[missouri]

you probly don't have the whole address for the image...
youre shows this...(boat0001/) (http://boat0001/))
unless thats the name of the site hosting the image...

go to the picture you want to post...R click on it...click properties...there will be an address...highlight it and copy....then past it in image tags...

some storage sites don't allow hosting...the image will not show...

[thosetwins]

Thanks mizzo, ill try agin http://C:\documents and settings\john kelly\my documents\my pictures\boat0001

[thosetwins]

trying againhttp://boat0001.jpg

[thosetwins]

still is not working???

[thosetwins]

lets see...http://c:\documents and settings\john kelly\my documents\my pictures\boat0001.jpg

[missouri]

you can't post it from your own pc...you need a hosting site...

files.villagephotos.com/index.asp (http://files.villagephotos.com/index.asp)

get an account...create an index file...upload the pic....copy addy under the pic....paste it in image tags....

Blakes gonna love me....;)

[WHOSNEXT]

Blakes gonna love me....

missouri, You have me laughing over here, I got yelled at for the same thing0] 0] 0]

[ckmansell]

I guess the cross post stuff that GottaHaveit got into with the other board has sparked some changes.

I had never really looked over there until the past few weeks. I was not a registered member nor did I have any intentions of ever being. Just kind of seeing whats there after hearing about it here.

I just went there to look around and when I tried to get into the Baja forum I got this message:

Sorry guests are not allowed to view threads in this forum.....

How childish!!:eek

Guess I will do what I should have done all along. Stay right here.:biggrin

[missouri]

Lot of ppl. over there, maybe it's a bandwidth thing...

I noticed speedwake looks just like oso...wonder if it's the same owner....

[TeamBajaMarine]

Speedwake.com is definately not owned by the OSO people, Speedwake.com is now what used to be called Fastboats.Info and it is run by a nice guy by the name of Jeff and he owns a Cigarette TopGun that he bought at my marine a few years back. I also should mention he started his site when he didnt want to deal with the OSO BS and I think he might have even been booted from them also.

[GottaHaveIt]

thosetwins, upload your images to the TBM Image Gallery and when they are authorized you can link to the URL.

I finally got tired of the requirement to be a registered member to view posts and a paying member to view posted images and use the internal messaging service on OSO.
Heck I no longer exist over there..every single one of my posts has mysteriously disappeared! :spineyes

thosetwins (Todd, right?) If you're spinning 26 Bravo 1's, what RPM (if you can remember) are you maxing out at? About 4,800? If so then you're running about 73-74 MPH. It's all a matter of using the standard 1.5:1 outdrive ratio, the prop pitch, and the RPM. Most of the time if a boat has 26s on it and a 496 Mag, then it'll run 72-74 and with 28s and 496 Mag HO's, 76-78. That's based on stock rev limiters. Pretty good wag but definitely not scientific. Get a GPS for the real numbers.
:biggrin

[thosetwins]

Thanks GottaHaveIt, I tried the link that mizzu gave me created an acct. and index uploaded and just kinda went nowhere? I have so say OSO is very easy to post pics I like that but you have to pay for it. I want to post some pics of that unit and going to try again with the info you have supplied but it seems like an act of congress. BTW its John. The boat when it was running 77mph (speedo) I wasnt driving the guy (casey) who sold me the boat was. He said we were running 4900rpm also he said that there was still a little left on the throttle. I only brought the boat up to about 72 before we about froze. I found the baot to rock some at 70mph and at 77mph alot (kinda unstable) though we did not have time to play with the tabs or anything. Are you going to be at Lake Travis? I made my Arrangements at lakeway, looking forward to meeting some of you! Ill try to post some pics....? :biggrin

[pancepance]

I thought the Mags only wind up to 4600 rpms????

[missouri]

twins...

in case you need extra storage that site works, after you upload a file you should see this next to the picture;

xxxxxxxxxxx.jpg [ Rename ] [ Copy ]
URL: "http://home.ripway.com/2003-11/39363/xxxxxxxxxxxx.jpg"

copy the red area which wont have the qoutation marks....village photo's is now ripway and the village addy's won't work.

[thosetwins]

tryingto postemhttp://home.ripway.com/2004-2/69069/boat0001.jpg

[thosetwins]

finally, thought i was getting stupid with this:biggrin http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/69069/boat0010.jpg

[thosetwins]

Thanks for the help!:tiphat http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/69069/boat0004.jpg

[GottaHaveIt]

Here are the specs from the Mercury Marine site. The 30 Outlaw I test drove was up against the rev limiters which was setting off the warning beeper. I remember seeing 4,800-4,900 or so.

John, the pic worked! It's huge but it shows the details!
Awesome looking 29. Lake Travis this spring, the April poker run? Is that what you're referring to? If so, yeah I'll do my best to be there if my house hasn't sold. Moving to NC when that finally happens.

[bajacraig]

is that what that BEEP is?
I get it when I'm @ 5200 rpm

You guys always talked about a "BANG"

[missouri]

twins,

you only get a 5mb per 24 hr. tranfer there...
get a image editing software....resize the image...and use the jpeg optimizer.....make the file much smaller and you won't use up your 5mb...you used yours up in 3 hrs., offpeak at that..

lots of shareware/freeware img editors, or get Paint Shop Pro for around $50....

[GottaHaveIt]

Here are the specs from the Mercruiser site for the 496 Mag.

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HP: 375
SmartCraft: Yes
Displacement Liter/CID: 8.1/496
Cylinder/Configuration: V-8
Bore & Stroke (in): 4.25 x 4.38
Bore & Stroke (mm): 108 x 111
Compression Ratio: 9.1:1
Fuel System: MPI
Full Throttle RPM Range: 4400-4800
Ignition System: PCM 555 Distributorless
-------------------

And the 496 Mag HO:
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HP: 425
SmartCraft: Yes
Displacement Liter/CID: 8.1/496
Cylinder/Configuration: V-8
Bore & Stroke (in): 4.25 x 4.38
Bore & Stroke (mm): 108 x 111
Compression Ratio: 9.1:1
Fuel System: MPI
Full Throttle RPM Range: 4600-5000
Ignition System: PCM 555 Distributorless

[pancepance]

So if its turning 4900 with "a little left in the throttle" what does that mean?
Wrong prop, bad tachs, 496HO in disguise????

[thosetwins]

I only ran the boat for five miniutes. Casey from IBC ran it out and said it hit 4900rpm with a little left to go. I will find out for sure "what that means" but Iam sure it is no big mystery. Then he wrote the rpm's on the baja & merc delivery checklist for rpm's ran. 26p B1 was the prop. No, I doubt it is a 496ho. Its not unheard of for them to run a little over spec. my 2001 272 w/496HO ran 5200rpm with 23p mirage plus. Cya

[GottaHaveIt]

So to be more specific.

The Merc specs show the operating RPM, which is the recommended operating RPM. That doesn't mean the rev limiter will cut in at 4,801. The rev limiter is probably set around 4,900-5,000 for a 496 Mag, and maybe 5,200 for the HO. I do know for a fact, that the 30 I drove had 496 Mags and the PCM 555 started beeping at full throttle. I didn't stare at the tachs. They might not be 100% accurate. I do know they were a tick or two below 5,000. There was no popping, power loss, sputtering or anything when the beeping was going on. Just no more RPM gain. Now for the sake of comparison, my 502 Mag on the rev limiter, there is no beeper, but you know you've hit it because the engine cuts out for a second but keeps going. Most likely an ignition cutout because a fuel cutout at high RPM will cause a lean condition and most likely detonation if the conditions are right.

Also consider that simliar engines will make more or less than their rated output based on how they were built, how they're tuned, and the conditions they are operating in (humidity, temperature).