30 Things Different From The 30OL vs. 29OL

[TeamBajaMarine]

This comes to me via my connection at the factory...

FEATURES of 30 OL over 29 OL.

1- Heavy duty windscreen 3/8" over 1/4" plexi.
2- Spilt Nav. lights (no anchor line interference).
3- Breaker switches vs. automotive fuses.
4- "Custom" forward bow hatches.
5- Air Conditioning Option - w/Shorepower
6- Larger V-berth sleeping area, (7'2" x 6'2") vs. (5'10" x 5'5")
7- Full fiberglass stringer system (w/finished gelcoat) engine
compartment surfaces.
8- 3" wider, cockpit area.
9- Plywood eliminated from cockpit upholstery.
10- Headrest motor compartment air induction.
11- Triple Bolster rear bench seat option available.
12- Lightweight rotocast/fiberglass combination motorlid.
13- Elimination of caulking at dash & vent covers.
14- "Custom" SS motorlid hinges.
15- Recessed (rear) bench SS grab handles, & speakers.
16- Additional cupholders in cockpit area. (6 vs.4)
17- Additional cupholders in cuddy area. (6 vs.4)
18- Stretch netting in forward bow storage area.
19- Stretch netting in cabin side gunnels.
20- Standard Galley Unit, with upgrades optional.
21- Standard Enclosed Head w/porti potti.
22- Duel Horns, over single horn.
23- Carbon Fiber stringer system.
24- Heavy-duty offshore motor mount system.
25- Convertible, bed/seating for (7) in cabin, w/optional bed sham.
26- Stretched Headliner for easy repairs.
27- Split Throttle/Shifter on dash console.
28- Anchor hold-down system, w/tie-off bracket, with finished gelcoat compartment.
29- "Custom" Aluminum vent covers.
30- Longer LOA (30' 2" vs. 28' 9").

[Seize n Ticket]

Wow, I'm selling our boat as fast as I can...anyone interested. :(

[bajacraig]

did they get the listing taken care of :biggrin

and Blake if you can say
30- Longer LOA (30' 2" vs. 28' 9") .
what about #31- THE PRICE?

[Seize n Ticket]

NO! I have been playing phone tag this week with a Baja Customer Service Represeatative with no luck so far. Hopefully, I will know something soon...I am about to go crazy.

[bottomless pit]

All of that for an extra measily 90K
.PIT

[thosetwins]

30 is nice , i can have either if i wanted, but for how much i really iam in the thing? it was choice i chose the 29ol over the 30ol, netting? cup holders? galley? etc. can you say for 2004sse 496mags triple trailer, the best colors can you say $87k. :biggrin

[OUTLAW 29]

30 things different between a 29OL and a 30OL...

Difference in price between the two boats works out to an average of about $1,000 per item. It's a good thing Baja only came up with 30 things different vs. 60 things different.

[GottaHaveIt]

Geez you all sound like Bayliner made the dang thing...

It's a new design, there are supposed to be improvements. And price increases.
:rolleyes

Back in '99 when I was looking at boats, a 29 Outlaw was pretty pricey compared to today. There are a TON of savings with incentives alone when purchasing the 29. Give it a couple years, the 30 will be old news and the price will be relative to the 29. I say relative, because the price probably will go up with inflation, such as the prices of the engines and outdrives thanks to Mercruiser. I doubt it will be priced like the 29s are today, but I'll bet you can knock $20K off in a season or two for a new '05-'06.
Baja spent a lot of money making the molds, engineering the boat, and getting it out to market. I'm sure that a large part of the price is going to pay back their tooling and enginnering costs, and also some of it may be going towards lagality issues. For example, aircraft manufacturers plan on getting involved in lawsuits eventually. The price of a private aircraft today is ludicrous! A single engine Cessna is over $100K! They used to sell for $20K! Most of that is to cover their asses in case they get sued.

Now consider this.
What would you current 29 owners think if the 30 Outlaw were $10-20K less than what you paid for your boat?
You'd be PISSED Off! Right?

For some folks out there the 30 is a new design, and once the new 29s are all gone, the 30 will be the smallest twin-engine Baja in the Outlaw lineup. Of course some will buy the 33 because it looks different or suits their needs differently. The 33 has a lot more floor space, more wetted running surface, (It'll handle the rough stuff better). I'm sure that the marketing folks at Baja will price the 30 accordingly to price it so the difference between the 30 and 33 dollars-wise is something to consider. Do you really think that they will price the 30 $2K to $4K less than a new 33? Heck no! I'll bet that once the newness wears off and the 29 is gone, the 30s will be selling for what new 29s were selling for the past couple years.

Well that's my rant..off the soapbox.

:biggrin

[OUTLAW 29]

What would you current 29 owners think if the 30 Outlaw were $10-20K less than what you paid for your boat?

...I'd buy one.

[GottaHaveIt]

Sure you might buy one, but wouldn't you feel cheated?
Hypothetically speaking of course. ;)

[thosetwins]

Hell, most are getting taken to the cleaners on the 29ol,you sure dont see anyone this board or any board for that matter sharing their new buy prices no matter what boat or size it is. You think we all would try to help each other by sharing information on buy prices to negotiate better deals. Well unless you paid too and got creamed and dont want to look like an idiot. Like it is some big secret. :biggrin

[Seize n Ticket]

Well then what did you pay?

I would also buy one...not...I like the rounded look better. Just my own personal taste...I'm thinking .38 Special :dancinbanana

[thosetwins]

You dont read the posts i guess, what did you pay for yours?
paid $87k 2004sse 496mags,triple axel trailer, lathem,compass well lets just say everything. and you? Cya

[bajacraig]

OK I'll play WTH

124 on an Ordered 33 W/HO's, 4 bolsters, carpet, bla bla bla.....

[thosetwins]

Uhhh, i was only answering seize n ticket question, sounds like you did alright, blah blah:biggrin

[haulinvols]

Man, I wish I could get a first hand look at the 30 so I could form my own opinion. I have to agree with Gotta regarding the 30 being the new kid on the block. I don't care what the product is, if it's new and different it will bring the bucks for a while. I you had told me when the Chrysler Pt cruiser came out I would be selling them for close to 30 grand I would have had a heart attack. Sure enough the "I got to have it first" crowd were begging me to take their money when they hit the ground. Give the 30 some time on the market and things will change. Regarding the 29 I think it is one of the best looking in the lineup. I do like the rounded look as well as the more chiseled look of the other outlaws. Little does my wife know, I am already thinking of ways to upgrade, and I've had mine less than a season. I love the Bajas and to me they are certainly on top of the game, they have a model to fit every need and budget. They made the 20 to get new performance boaters in the family (me) and then have made other models to keep em here. Kudos to Baja for making the perfect Boat(s). :biggrin

[bajacraig]

you were the one who put
You think we all would try to help each other by sharing information on buy prices to negotiate better deals. Well unless you paid too and got creamed and dont want to look like an idiot. Like it is some big secret.

[GottaHaveIt]

I'd love to have a 29 Outlaw. In fact my next boat will be used since it's almost rediculous how much depreciation hits a new boat! I've seen a few (very few) 29s with carbureted HP500s and heard of some with HP500EFI's. That's what I'm looking for. There was one for sale near Austin TX with 500s last season with the paintball-splatter graphics. Awesome boat. It was advertised for $85K with tripp axle trailer. I don't know if it ever sold. I forget how many hours it had on it but the owner said over the phone that he bought it new, and kept it indoors under a cover in a garage. He was in his 60s if I recall correctly. Heck the secondaries in the carbs might have been stuck shut from lack of use! 0]

[thosetwins]

Wow, maybe you really got creamed, are you tellin the truth..hehe, my point was to give leverage to the buyer (us) maybe you dont get that concept:biggrin

[bajacraig]

Wow, maybe you really got creamed, are you tellin the truth..hehe, my point was to give leverage to the buyer (us) maybe you dont get that concept

What the hell are you talkin about?

I'm sorry, I thought you said
you sure dont see anyone this board or any board for that matter sharing their new buy prices no matter what boat or size it is. You think we all would try to help each other by sharing information on buy prices to negotiate better deals. Well unless you paid too and got creamed and dont want to look like an idiot. Like it is some big secret.

I thought you wanted to know what new boats were selling for. :spineyes

[thosetwins]

No offense taken! Iam just an easy going boater who just wants to boat and drink my whole life away:tiphat

[saleen367]

Craig,

Is that with or w/o a trailer as that could have a $7k impact?

[Seize n Ticket]

30 is nice , i can have either if i wanted, but for how much i really iam in the thing? it was choice i chose the 29ol over the 30ol, netting? cup holders? galley? etc. can you say for 2004sse 496mags triple trailer, the best colors can you say $87k. Sorry, I did not really understand your post...I guess I could have re-read it and tried to understand what you were saying...if I have time to burn.

[bottomless pit]

Sieze N Tickets:::.I'm thinking .38 Special Very Cool!!!!!

[bajacraig]

Jeff
that was w/o a trailer

[BDannecker]

From the sound of these posts (as well as other threads) I'd say it's TIME FOR SPRING! Too much winter frustration and cabin fever. We need sunshine and FAST friggin' boats!!!!! :biggrin

[BDannecker]

Oh, and don't forget the scantily clad women :dancingjalepeno

[haulinvols]

You hit the nail on the head, I can not wait for spring.:party

[TeamBajaMarine]

Seems like the 29OL owners are feeling a bit jealous, insecure with the 30OL in the game. I think Chris' original post was dead on that if you didnt own a 29OL, you would be very excited about the 30OL. JMO

[bajaneil]

Sorry Blake, I don't own a 29 and am Truly not enthused about the 30 after seeing it.

Why is it more than a revamped 29. Please tell me what I may be missing.

Neil

[pancepance]

What if you don't own a 29OL but rather a 302???
I'm not jealous, but I think the overall improvements of the 30 vs. the 29 are (right now) a little overpriced. But as stated many times its the "gotta have it" syndrome and thats going to happen. I'm thinking prices will come down quickly once all the dealers have 'em on the showroom floors with different set ups. Of course there will never be another TBM flagship...
Hopefully I'll get to see one in person soon and make a better judgement call.

[OUTLAW 29]

TBM – you stirred things up.

Given a choice between an equally priced 29OL and 30 OL, I would take the 30OL every day and twice on Sunday.

However, what we have here is the 30OL and a 31 Sonic equally priced. I hate to say it but given that choice, I would take the 31 Sonic every day and twice on Sunday.

I don’t know what you are paying for your boat but in 3 years, you will be lucky to get $80,000 for it.

[thosetwins]

Maybe someone who did not have a choice? I crawled all over both boats. Like i said had the means to have either or hell a 36 for that fact. The 30ol is a awesome boat no doubt. But Jealous? Now that is silly. In my book all BAJAS are bad ass. Cya

[bajacraig]

I know what your talkin about twins,
I liked the 46' Skater w/1400's but the 33 OL was what I wanted 0]

[thosetwins]

Craig i hear ya
I don't discriminate i like every last one of them! (boats) that is. BTW no way could i afford a 46 skater with 1400's hehe.:tiphat

[TeamBajaMarine]

Outlaw29,
Why would you choose the Sonic? I only posted an opinion, let me explain my thought process...its like a 24 Outlaw that was replaced by the 25 Outlaw, same difference. The 25 Outlaw is a better designed boat and we all know the price tag on a new 25 can get in the high 60's. That being said, I dont think the 24 Outlaws are commanding very much money. I am aware that you all think the 30OL is overpriced, but its like anything else, alot of designing and special engineering went into the 30OL, overpriced, maybe... but you can find them for $110K. I think the 30OL is worth the extra money if that is the style and advancement of technology you need. The 30OL being worth only 80K in a few years, probably not, but then again maybe.

Point is...buy what you want and what makes you feel happy, I have mentioned many times before that I do not like the 29 OL, so the 30OL coming out was perfect timing for me, or I would have ended up with too much boat...a 33OL.

[saleen367]

Outlaw 29, I'm with you.

I'm heading to Miami tomorrow to take in the show and see the Sonic factory if I have time.

I think the 31 SS is a very fine boat. Maybe not a Cig or Outerlimits, etc. but they are well built and come with choice of like 35 custom graphics. :party

Dollar for dollar I would have a hard time until I drive the Sonic. Maybe I can let you know after Miami.

Until then my allegiance is here with Baja. Just changing my boating wardrobe would be a setback with all the Baja gear I have.:rolleyes I love the 30 OL's exterior! Even better than the 31 SS. But until Baja changes their thinking on the interior and incentives I'm staying away for now.

[ckmansell]

NO WAY.... Now while I admit I lean more toward the 29 over the 30. I will jump on the 30 band wagon over the Sonic anyday.

The 31SS is 30'6" WITH a molded swim platform. Take off 18" for that and you have a 29 foot boat. So it has LESS running surface. In addition to that, it is only 23 degree deadrise as opposed to 24 on the 30. There will be a very noticable ride difference here. The 30 O/L is more boat..hands down!

As a matter of fact, I think one could argue that the 29 O/L is probably more boat and would have a better ride than the Sonic.

Now, since the Sonic is less boat and has a flatter bottom...ummmm yep it is probably faster. So if that is what your after then buy it. Me, I personally prefer a better ride when boating all day as opposed to a few MPH.

[thosetwins]

The 30ol is a very nice boat. Lets say if it were $8-10k more then a 29ol then i would have went with a 30ol. especially with all the new enhancements blake posted. I have had nothing negative to say about the 30ol (not nuts about the cabin layout). But to justify paying $25-30k for one foot more of boat even with the new enhancements was not justifyable. Especially when they are EQUALLY as goodlooking of boats. If properly taken care of both are going to last longer than we will keep either so build quality should basically be the same and not be a factor.:biggrin

[OUTLAW 29]

Why would you choose the Sonic?

There’s no doubt the 30OL wins in the styling category but I can’t overlook the reputation Sonic has for building boats like a brick $hithouse using time-tested methods and materials.

Then there’s the Sonic cabin. Best in the business without question – spacious, durable, functional with 0% fluff. Heck, you can sleep 5 people in a 31 (not that I would ever need to – I don’t even know 5 people).