30 Outlaw Information, Only Found Here...

[TeamBajaMarine]

Been doing some surfing and I have noticed that there is quite a bit of wrong information floating around the web regarding this boat. As all should know by now this is the only place where you will get the correct info on any Baja boat as it comes from my experiences, TBM members experiences, connections and from insiders at the factory.

One of the things that comes to mind is the talk of the prototype boat having a cuddy interior that was to be offered as a second option. Well we all know this was the prototype and nothing was set in stone and we knew that wasnt to be the interior offered on the production boats. Now the arguement has stemmed, as someone has mentioned Fox Chapel has the boat and they can see the optional cuddy as proof. Fox Chapel has the prototype boat and its just that a prototype. Bottom line there was never talk of two different cuddys for the 30OL.

Anybody find any other misinformation? Just makes me angry.:beathead

[30Outlaw]

Blake:

Thanks for speaking out and keeping us all informed. Unfortunately myself included we sometimes believe what we want to hear. Once again thanks for your help.

[GottaHaveIt]

The combination of owner input and factory connections make this the hands-down best place on the NET for Baja boat information!

Thanks Blake for starting TeamBajaMarine.com!!

[saleen367]

Blake,

This is what make this site so damn good. The ability to come here, read through the threads and decipher what is the truth and what is speculation as well as you having 1st hand information from Baja.

It's nice to know that a guy can, hopefully, post a question here without being ridiculed regarding a questionable post from somewhere else.

Granted misinformation is frustrating but its everywhere you look. And what a great place to iron out all the fallacies. I've learned more here than talking to any dealer.

Thanks Blake. Be proud that you have a great site.:tiphat

[ckmansell]

The nice thing here is though. I have found that if someone is speculating, they tell you that. I don't see anyone trying to talk or speculate on a subject as though it were the truth.

[ckmansell]

Ok, I could not find the boattest.com thread on the 30's speed so this thread will have to do.

Myself and two other TBM members(mdtaylor & wSeize 'n Ticket) worked the in water boat show at the loto this weekend as boat captians.

We had a 30 there with HO's and over three(3) days I would say we put about 5 or 6 hours on her. We did numerous demo rides to potential customers. We also took her for three extended cruises of 20+ miles each and two of 7 miles each.

To sum up the performance, well lets put it this way. The 30 is a ROCKET!!! As a matter of fact, not only is this thing fast, it is scary fast.

Performance out of the hole is a little slow but not bad. You must feather the throttles a little coming up or you will have a some prop blow out. There is quite a bit of bow rise getting on plane which hinders your vision a little. But make no mistake, once that bow drops and the props get hooked up, you better hold on.

This will be a boat that you will have to drive. This is not a boat where you just give her the gas and go. Tabs are a must. Especially at high speeds. She does tend to chine walk a bit. That is what I mean by scary fast. I found that she starts to wobble a bit at 72+ and tried to use tabs to take it out as the speed increased. However after some seat time I found it better to go ahead and put the tabs about half way down, run her up and trim it out. Then gradually start picking up the tabs to increase top speed. By doing it this way, Seize 'n Ticket and I went out and were able to get the liquid filled Gaffrig speedo to just touch 81 mph. (Proof in the photo gallery forthcoming.) I found this much easier to attain faster top speed than waiting until it started to wobble to start dropping tabs.

We used a GPS and compared it to the speedo at several different speeds. As you will see in the photos to come, the speedo is almost dead on with GPS.

What was really impressive was the mid range acceleration. If you are cruising at 40mph and stab the throttles, it will set you back in the seat.

I know Hawkeye has one with 525's. After driving this one, I would be inclined to say I bet that boat is dangerous for an average boater. I know a lot of you guys say you want those blue motors, well I hope you know what you are doing. Like I said earlier, you must be on top of things and this is definately a boat that you must actively drive, not just set there. If not, I could definately see somebody getting hurt.

Blake I think you made a good choice on power. But I tell you what. For an average boater, this boat with 6.2's at an MSRP of around 130K and 68mph would be a great all around boat.

I know I only touched on performance, if you all have any other questions about the 30 feel free to ask. Now I am off to start posting photos.

[Rusty Jug]

I stopped by the BTM on Sat. and they said nothing was happing down at the show. I went to Tan-Tara-A and checked on my wife's room for her conference this coming weekend and she said there was no need to go down to Tan-Tara-A's docks, so we stopped at the lounge.>:

With that sells pitch you gave! :dancinbanana I am going to ask Matt down at the dock for a ride in the 30.:party

Maybe we can meet up this weekend!:tiphat I will be down with my wife at the conference. Friday night to Sunday morning.

Once again thanks for the info on the 30!

[BDannecker]

Curt,
That sounds like a killer ride. Wow, 81 mph - what does a 29 Outlaw do with the same set-up? Did you ever get on the rev limiters?

[Seize n Ticket]

RJ,
Saturday was a wash out for the most part...lots of rain. I think you made a good decision to stop at the lounge.

Bruce,
I know I never bumped the rev limiters. I was able to run it pretty hard from the boat show to Big Thunder Marina with no one else on board. I just did not have the courage to run it all the way up due to the wind and a fairly good chop from all the boats leaving at the same time. I can say I walked away from a few of the competitor brands :biggrin

[Rusty Jug]

"I can say I walked away from a few of the competitor brands"


I love to here that!!!:party

The lounge was a good stop. Just breaking it in for this weekend.:dancinbanana

[saleen367]

Don,

Would you say HO's are overkill for the 30 or not?

I get the feeling one won't be using WOT much at all based on the squirrelly feeling at top end.

If it feels like this at WOT, can you imagine if it were a stepped hull?8o

[mdtaylor]

I don't know about Don, but I don't think the HO's are overkill. The boat runs great and it really doesn't get to walking until you are pushing 75 mph or so. I think they are probably the perfect motors if you want to hit the 80 mph mark. That is if money is not an option. I would like to try out the 6.2's. That gets the list price down to upper 120's or lower 130's and I hear the boat will still run 68 mph or so. Still a great package.

[Seize n Ticket]

Jeff,
It just depends on what a person wants. I don't think anyone will be letting her rip it up much, especially if the water is rough. Don't get me wrong, it was a blast to drive and ride in; I just think a person needs to pay "Special" attention to what is going on once you hit the higher speeds. It would be interesting to drive the 30 with the 496 Mags to see the difference between the two. I was told with 6.2's the 30 is still turning close to 67-68 MPH. That might be the best way to go if $$$ is an issue, like it would be for us. Our lake is very rough and I don't see Barbra running WOT much. With that being said it was a BLAST to drive. :biggrin

[pancepance]

Those speeds are just about exactly what Baja quoted me when I was looking for a new boat. 80 mph is really quick. Its definately a personal cost vs. need thing but its always nice to know when going neck and neck with an inferior boat that youve got that little extra juice to kick it in the a$$. Granted most ppl. use that speed for less than a few minutes at a clip especially those of us in rougher water with passengers that don't like tasting their kidneys....:thatsfunny
Still sitting in 40degree weather here so i'm goddam envious of you guys.
I've gotta move south.

[saleen367]

This thread has me thinking about ordering Mag's instead of the HO's. :headspin

Then I think about what a salesmen recently told me from another area of the country. That was they can't even get an offer on their 30 w/Mag's. If it were not for resale considerations, I think I would go Mag's. But one has to think about being able to sell when and if you need to. I don't like the idea of sitting on a $120k boat that people don't want. After all, this boat in particluar is as much about image as it is anything. It screams speed sitting still.:biggrin :biggrin :biggrin

Maybe in time as more 30's hit the water, there will be more of a variety. Word will get out on the perfromance of the lesser engine packages. But for now, I have to say HO's is were the market is at.

I had a chance to order an 04 today as a slot opened in Bycrus. I think as long as I have to wait till June, I can wait till August and get an 05 even for the extra $2-4k.

[30Outlaw]

I have to agree with Jeff that for resale value the Ho’s are the go. I was quoted $2000-4000 also for the 05 model and have decided to go for it. Build date is supposed to be mid july.

[thosetwins]

Iam suprised Blake has not chimed in on this one....hehe:biggrin

[bajacraig]

As always, it looks like, "what do you want?"
Out of the hole or Top end.

I would like to see what the Hawkeye boys would say about the ride with the 525's at that speed.

[TeamBajaMarine]

I am staying with the Mags, sorry guys I cannot justify the cost. Builds for 2005's do start in July as mentioned. I have also been told 2004's are sold out as there are many still yet to build and by the time they finish 2004's we will be in July. So I am surprised someone is telling you you can still get one.

[thosetwins]

I dont think 496mags will hurt resale of the 30ol at all. Now if those were 6.2's that would be different. The 30ol is going to do 74-75mph with mags that is plenty fast for MOST. Now when it comes to single engine boats in the 25-27 foot range I think the 496ho and 502 are justified because this a lot of boat to push for one engine. IMO:biggrin

[TeamBajaMarine]

Twins, I agree. On a single engine, I wouldnt even consider a 496 Magnum.

[ckmansell]

You guys are talking about the 496 mag as if it were the old 7.4/310hp. I think some of you are forgetting that the 496 is 375 hp. This is very comparable to the old 454mag, especially with the higher torque. I don't think most people would bat an eye at a boat with a 454mag(s) single or twin. So why all the animosity toward this 496? Just because it is the base model?

[Seize n Ticket]

We didn't.:biggrin

[TeamBajaMarine]

My thoughts exactly, the 496 Mag is not a bad motor, as I p-osted previously there is no difference in the specs of the motor according to the Merc website, except for the extra 50HP. Again, I have to ask, why did Merc even bother?

BTW, the base in the 30OL is 6.2L's at 320HP each. So we are talking about 640HP vs. 750HP vs. 850HP.

[OUTLAW 29]

Regarding the regular 496 - I can't get passed the fact that peak HP comes at only 4600 RPM just like the old 7.4.

Peak HP on the 350mag, 454mag, 502mag, 6.2, and 496HO comes at 5000 RPM.