Hey Curt! Tell Us About The 30OL Demo...

[TeamBajaMarine]

Just uploaded your photos to the gallery, tell us all about it. What did you think? What did you like, what did you not like.

[missouri]

ckmansell
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(4/12/04 11:14 am)
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Speculation Is Over!
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Ok, I could not find the boattest.com thread on the 30's speed so this thread will have to do.

Myself and two other TBM members(mdtaylor & wSeize 'n Ticket) worked the in water boat show at the loto this weekend as boat captians.

We had a 30 there with HO's and over three(3) days I would say we put about 5 or 6 hours on her. We did numerous demo rides to potential customers. We also took her for three extended cruises of 20+ miles each and two of 7 miles each.

To sum up the performance, well lets put it this way. The 30 is a ROCKET!!! As a matter of fact, not only is this thing fast, it is scary fast.

Performance out of the hole is a little slow but not bad. You must feather the throttles a little coming up or you will have a some prop blow out. There is quite a bit of bow rise getting on plane which hinders your vision a little. But make no mistake, once that bow drops and the props get hooked up, you better hold on.

This will be a boat that you will have to drive. This is not a boat where you just give her the gas and go. Tabs are a must. Especially at high speeds. She does tend to chine walk a bit. That is what I mean by scary fast. I found that she starts to wobble a bit at 72+ and tried to use tabs to take it out as the speed increased. However after some seat time I found it better to go ahead and put the tabs about half way down, run her up and trim it out. Then gradually start picking up the tabs to increase top speed. By doing it this way, Seize 'n Ticket and I went out and were able to get the liquid filled Gaffrig speedo to just touch 81 mph. (Proof in the photo gallery forthcoming.) I found this much easier to attain faster top speed than waiting until it started to wobble to start dropping tabs.

We used a GPS and compared it to the speedo at several different speeds. As you will see in the photos to come, the speedo is almost dead on with GPS.

What was really impressive was the mid range acceleration. If you are cruising at 40mph and stab the throttles, it will set you back in the seat.

I know Hawkeye has one with 525's. After driving this one, I would be inclined to say I bet that boat is dangerous for an average boater. I know a lot of you guys say you want those blue motors, well I hope you know what you are doing. Like I said earlier, you must be on top of things and this is definately a boat that you must actively drive, not just set there. If not, I could definately see somebody getting hurt.

Blake I think you made a good choice on power. But I tell you what. For an average boater, this boat with 6.2's at an MSRP of around 130K and 68mph would be a great all around boat.

I know I only touched on performance, if you all have any other questions about the 30 feel free to ask. Now I am off to start posting photos.
Curt Mansell
"Called In Sick"
2000 33 Outlaw
Lake Ozark, MO

[ckmansell]

Blake already has the photos up. Whooohooooo!

[bajaneil]

Curt,

Thanks for the great shots! My question is would you trade your 33 for a 30?

Thanks again,

Neil

[ckmansell]

Simple answer, No. But keep in mind, speed in not really that important to me. My wife, kids and I spend many hours on the rough waters of the LOTO. I would give up speed for girth and day.

Do I like speed. Sure. Its just that I am on a budget. While some spend thousands on speed, I spend it on fiberglass. LOL I guess in a perfect world, I would have a 442 and a fast Outlaw. If I only had chose a different line of work.;)

[Rusty Jug]

The pics. look great!!:tiphat

Don you cool in the helmet!!!:biggrin

[mdtaylor]

I had a great time driving that boat. That boat just feels fast when you push the throttles forward. It can get spooky though:eek Didn't Don look good in the helmet. I wish we would have had two, but it was good we had one for the trip on Saturday. Ask Don about the boat that tried to toy with us on the morning before the show. Curt were in the cabin when Don let her rip. I must say, it is quite a ride at those speeds while in the cuddy. Was very smooooooth water though, which allowed us to be in there to begin with. See everybody. Did I mention it was a great time. lots of fast boats and free gas to burn. What more could you ask for.:dancingjalepeno :biggrin

[bajacraig]

out of the hole is a little slow but not bad

Do you know what props they had on it?

[missouri]

Don you cool in the helmet!!! is that cool or cold Rusty? :lol

[MXBAJA421]

Great pic's,
Don, I have a custom painted helmet you can use next
time, I wish are family could have made it down.

What"s the rumor about july 23rd at B.T.M.:dancingjalepeno

[TeamBajaMarine]

Great story and write up guys. I cant wait to get mine in a month.:tiphat

[BrentR33]

Curt and all great picts and write up!!! I have run GPS up to 70 on my 33 and have not got to run max out.
However running max out with 2 people and 1/2 tank On the speedometer at 50000 it also sits right on 81 which is about 3 MPH off from what I have seen on GPS so far. This is with 26 pitch props. Looks like they are running pretty close with same HP and I would think same props???

[bajacraig]

I don't think the 30 has the same props as the 33
I get 5200 RPM and 73 on GPS
BEST ever was 75.4 on GPS with 26p props, that was ONE time and NEVER saw over 74 after that.

Sorry, I'm from MISSOURI show me the GPS over 78 with HO's

[REHOV]

Great pics and thanks for the review.:D
Just curious, the guages do not have a brand name on them ie. livorsi or gaffrig
Are all the 04 Outlaws this way?
What brand is Baja using this year?

[30Outlaw]

Guys:

Thanks for the informative review and pics. I am assuming that the OL had the 280 S k-planes. After reading about how quick the boat was I have to agree with you that maybe the blue motors are a bit much. Man 80 mph has to be right up there with the competition. Also what props where you running? I know powerboat did a test on the Sunsation Dominator with 496 mags and they were able to get 77 mph out of the boat. Looks like Baja has a winner on their hands.

[saleen367]

Thanks for the great report guys.

Free fuel and a day on a new Outlaw. I'm jealous.:lol

What more could you ask for?

Yeah ... beach babes to ride along.:dancinbanana

Question I have is did you load it back on the trailer or not. I'm wondering how it loads and unloads. Actually it's my wifes concern as she is part of those duties.:tiphat

[eddie]

Matt from BTM called me last week and said they were going to have this boat in the water while I was down in San Antonio. Aaron and Jen were down and I knew Pit was going so I asked them to take a ride for me. I don't think either made it, thanks for the review. I think PIT said this 30 is on his dock and he would hook us up when we came down.

I still want blue motors!!! Maybe not after I drive it :party

He also said they were opening a new building? Where is that located?

How was the weather? I didn't sound like it was very nice, can you guys order some 80 degree days for the Harbor Hop? Aaron and Jen picked up their 36 OL w/500's and Kathy and I are going to ride with him - Blake sent me a nice stack of water cards with my Polo I can leave all over the lake May 1

[Seize n Ticket]

Not sure what props it had on it. No, we did not load it on the trailer so we can't help you there. I would consider yourself lucky though, I don't see to many wives loading the boat. I also have the luxury of having this help from the wife. As Mark mentioned on the way to the show Saturday morning in the cold rain I had a boat toying with us. Curt and Mark were down in the cuddy trying to avoid the needles "Rain." I did not want to launch those guys around down below, but after about five miles I had to let her eat. Oh, I guess I should mention the boat in question was a 29 Outlaw...not sure if they are on this site or not. Anyways, the 30 with 3/4 tank of fuel and three grown men walked away from the 29...needless to say the 29 turned around and went in the other direction. I think Curt and Mark thought I was nuts until I filled them in on the details...they would have done the same. :biggrin

[haulinvols]

Great pics and review guys. Thanks for all the info. I look forward to getting to drive the one at our dealer's Demo Days that I will be helping with. They wanted to borrow my 20 for people to look at, I told them no problem just give me the 30 for the day and we'll call it even.:rollin

[bottomless pit]

When I saw the Boat , Parked next to me Sunday before the show it noticed it had "28" pitch props, But I didn't find out what the drive ratios were. That may be the reason for she "Slow out of the Hole". It may also have 1.33 to 1 ratio. Instead of the reg 1 1/2 50 1.

PIT

[OUTLAW 29]

I doubt it had 1.33 gears cause 5000 rpm's with 1.33 gears would yield about 88mph.

I wouldn't worry too much about blowout. 29's blowout also (even with 4 blades). I guess you learn to live with it. Besides, I never could figure out those guys who love big hole shots anyway simple because of the stress it puts on various parts.

I would be curious to know what you consider scary chine walk. My boat skips on the chines in the upper 70's and it can get a bit fun but since I never ride in other boats, I don't know how it compares. I never have to drop the tabs though - I just ride thru it. I know you guys probably have 10 times the seat time and ride time that I have so if you thought it was a handful then I'm sure it is - especially if you had to drop the tabs.

[ckmansell]

Outlaw29, I am with you. I never firewall the throttles coming out of the hole. Very hard on equipment. What I mean is that on my 33 I gradually give it gas. By the time I hit about 40 to 45 percent throttle I am already on plane. With this one I got up to about 60 to 65 percent and at about 3000 rpms was having trouble getting it to bite. I had to feather the sticks back and forth between about 40 to 60 percent and after a few seconds the nose would drop and it would hook up. Not a big deal, just slower than I am used to.

Yes I know what you are talking about on your 29. That little cradle rock when the only thing in the water is the last few feet of the stern and the outdrives. Kind of on the edge deal. Your right, that is fun as hell and I feel in control. What I am talking about is the boat would start to list from one side then the other. Each time the list got bigger and bigger until it was slamming down hard on each. I was in control but I could tell that if you dont do something pretty soon the list will be too big and I did not feel like a 75mph swim in the 45 degree water. LOL

However, remember I said you must drive this boat. Just running her up and trimming it out I got the "Baja wobble" in the mid 70's. But when I later changed my driving style to start with the tabs down about half way. Then run it up, trim it out and gradually begin to pick up the tabs I did not even get that little chine walk you talk about at 81mph (speedo). That is where I shut it down. However, I still had room to pick up the tabs a couple more clicks to 0. I feel had I done this (as long as the wobble did not show back up) I would have picked up a few more RPMs. The boat was brand new and I did not want to bump the rev limiters yet. Maybe when it has a few more hours. In any event I would bet my next paycheck it would show at least a solid 80 on GPS. Now watch it get warmer here in MO and I will eat my words. LOL

My overall opinion is that the 30 is heavier and one foot longer than a 29 yet is can run with a 29 with the same power. Based on that, I think maybe Baja's homework paid off.

[OUTLAW 29]

Based on what you said it sounds like it might even be harder to get on plane than a 29 is. I take my 29 right up to 3300rpm, sit back, and wait for it to come up (I'm even running 3 blades). Sounds like you were having trouble getting it to bite at even 3000rpm with 4 blades - ouch!!

Tabs should solve that problem but using tabs sucks - or were you using the tabs already when coming on plane? If so, that would be double-ouch!!

[ckmansell]

No tabs. Next time I get in it, I will try that and report back.

[GottaHaveIt]

Thanks for the review guys! Awesome pics! It's great to finally hear some good numbers from an HO powered 30.

I drove a 30 at the Ski Dock event a couple months ago on Lake Travis at Carlos N Charlies. It had twin 496 Mags. Not sure what props but I'll bet they were 26 Bravo 1 four-blades.
That boat had a tough time coming up on plane as well.

The 30 has a delta-pad bottom which might be a contributing factor to the chinewalking at speed. Most larger Baja's have a sharp V keel, like the 40 Outlaw, or a rounded keel, like the 29, 342, 33. A pad bottom is intentionally designed to get the tail end up and out of the water at speed. As you can imagine, there's not a lot of hull left in the water to stabilize the boat in certain situations so it must be "driven", the steering wheel has to be used to counter the walking by inputing small, abrupt jabs at the wheel, or 'sawing' the wheel.
That's how I have to drive my 25 at WFO. It has a pad bottom as well. A few degrees of tabs will help too. In really rough water, I trim the drive 'in' in small increments to get more weight on the bow of the boat, which helps cut the chop and rollers which gives a better ride and less chine walking. It does tend to cut down on speed by 2-4 MPH though. I'd love to get a little seat time in a 30 with Mag HOs to see just how 'squirrely' it is.
There was a 29 Outlaw in my neighborhood for sale last year. It had 28 Bravo 1's, and carbureted HP500s. It would GPS right about 79.X at 5,000 RPM. Sounds about right, the speeds and RPM you noted out of the 30. It's amazing it runs that good with HOs!
I'd love to have one with blue HP500 EFI's personally. :dancingjalepeno

[OUTLAW 29]

Based on that, I think maybe Baja's homework paid off.

I’m not too sure I’d go that far especially since early reports had this boat running mid 80’s. Tons of $$ and several years spent on RDT&E to gain 1-2 mph at the expense of handling. I’m not sure kudos are in order for that. You could take a 29, stick a delta pad on it, and gain 1-2 mph with 0 $$$ spent on RDT&E. A gain of 5-6 mph with no sacrifice in handling, that would deserve kudos.

[ckmansell]

I guess when you look at it that way, it makes sense. However, I never saw any official reports on the 30 from the factory itself. Only just a bunch of jabber jawing on the internet and around the marina by people who thought they knew what they were talking about.

All I meant was, anytime you can build a bigger boat and have it run the same speeds as its smaller pedasessor I call that a small victory. Racers can spend as much as $5,000 to pick up 1-2 mph by blueprinting hulls, buying fancy labbed props, etc, etc....

As far as handling goes, your right it is poor if you try to drive it like I am used to driving boats. However, once I changed my driving style I was able to push it to the limits. Maybe it is just a change the way we do business. I guess you could look at it two ways. The first would be poor. Second way you could say it handles perfect. I am still out to lunch on that until I get a little more seat time.

[bottomless pit]

Bob told Me 2 weeks ago I could Hitch a ride in it Maybe if it hasn't sold Ill get to this weekend.
All you guys that want this boat get off of your a$$ and call Matt or Spanky at BTM. It's ready to GO!!!!!!!!
PIT:dancinbanana

[eddie]

All you guys that want this boat get off of your a$$ and call Matt or Spanky at BTM. It's ready to GO!!!!!!!!

Slow down PIT, I want to go for a ride during the harbor hop, let's sell it after that! :headspin

[ckmansell]

Buy it and you can for a ride all day of the harbour hop.:biggrin

[bottomless pit]

Do you really think that will still be around by then?
PIT
PS: No.

[saleen367]

Your demo day helped make my decision easier.

Ordered mine today.

Thanks again guys.:tiphat

[eddie]

Buy it and you can for a ride all day of the harbour hop.

Like I want the one that the cops were out beating the hell out of :beathead 0] 0] 0] 0] 0] 0]

No dough for this courtroom boy for a new 30, I'll wait for a used one with blue motors and AC down the road.

[bajacraig]

MAN :beathead I was thinkin the same thing.....
WOFT after .5 hours

Don running with a crash helmet?????

That boat has had the Chit run out of it 0]

:biggrin

[GottaHaveIt]

WOFT after .5 hours

Now that's how you break these bad boys in! :biggrin

[GottaHaveIt]

quote:Your demo day helped make my decision easier.
Ordered mine today.


Awesome dude! Details!!

[saleen367]

Waiting for a build date from Baja. Boat has been promised early July. Won't hold my breath though as I know how these things work out.

2005 30 Outlaw - HO's
SST package
ac/dc galley w/shore-power
pop-up cleats
compass
depth finder
Corsa Q&Q Plus
Carpet
Swim platform
Mooring cover
Hatch screens
remote stereo on transom

Think thats it.
2005 SST graphics (I've seen all the 05 graphics - you won't be disappointed this year!)

[Seize n Ticket]

Jeff,
Congrats on the new ride!!! The Baja Representative I spoke with at the boat show said the 05 graphics were very nice. Looks like he was right based on what you saw. :biggrin

[ckmansell]

WOT for .5 hours.

Where the hell did you all get that? The most that boat got WOT anywhere close to 5000 rpms was maybe a minute at a time just getting up to speed for the pics and the report we were making to you. IF I rememeber right Don and I only did that I think twice, maybe three times.

The rest of the operating time on the boat was either giving customers conservative demos or just us having a nice cruise, boating back and forth to work.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Jeff,
Good deal, we will all own 30 Outlaws by years end. I was told the 2005 graphics are not far off from 2004. True or False?

[ckmansell]

Blake I am going to guess False. Here is why. While Don was speaking with rep. he admitted that Baja kind of dropped the ball on the graffics for '04. He said they are back on track for '05.

[firehill19]

Jeff, congrats on your order. Along with Blake, 30outlaw and you, this is gonna be great getting updates. Keith

[eddie]

Where the hell did you all get that?

Sure, if we try to get out of a ticket the police don't want to hear our explanations... :biggrin

The computers don't lie, have to have them scanned :thatsfunny

[TeamBajaMarine]

I gotta tell you, everytime the graphics come out they take a while to grow on me. It also depends on the color combos. I dont like the 2004 SST, but I love the 2004 Outlaw graphics. BTW, My boat was sprayed yesterday and I am hoping to hear back from the factory how killer it looks.

[bottomless pit]

Hay Eddie:
Do you want me to call you Saturday from the cockpit of the 30 Outlaw???? :dancinbanana :party :dancingjalepeno

[eddie]

Do you want me to call you Saturday from the cockpit of the 30 Outlaw????

YES 402-290-8070

Pit - We are going to drop a 502 in the PQ and do some boating our selves. It's full dress now, so I'd guess it will only take us a few hours. I'll see you on May 1 at the lake.

Blake can't wait to see your colors. :dancingjalepeno

Jeff - sounds like I picked out the options myself, nice choice with the power and AC. :samurai (How much for the blue motor bump? Did you ask on the 30?)

[saleen367]

Blake,
I promised I would not send pics around the net of them. But I can tell you they are not even close to 04. Much better!

Maybe I'm talking out my arss, but I would choose anyone of them over 04 except the 05 Riptide. Wave stays the same and I see why. It was my choice on an 04 boat as well.

I really think everyone will have a graphics package they love this year.:party

[saleen367]

(How much for the blue motor bump? Did you ask on the 30?)

04 pricing was $46600 for 500's and an additional $15800 for 525's. Mag's was $12800 over 6.2's and HO's $13400 over Mag's.
Yeah, thats right, not a typo, $23300 per engine more for 500's. No way is that worth it, JMO.

Hope this helps.:)

[TeamBajaMarine]

HO's $13400 over Mag's.

Neither is this worth it for 100HP. As Paul from Zigouras, there is money better spent with him and gaining 2 to 300HP for less than the $13K.

Graphics, dont forget about the custom SSE I am having done on my boat. I can say I will have a one of a kind. I just wish the damn thing would get here.

[bajaneil]

Blake,

Hey, just curious in a few posts above you mentioned how you love the 2004 outlaw graphics. I was under the impression the outlaw graphics are the same from year to year?

When I go to the design studio and design outlaw graphics they look just like my 2003?

Just curious if it does change?

Thanks,

Neil

[saleen367]

there is money better spent with him and gaining 2 to 300HP for less than the $13K.

Then you should have ordered 6.2's and done superchargers or turbo's and been money ahead.

For me, I want factory reliability along with the power. 850 ponies with a 5 year extended warranty. Win-win situation for me.

:biggrin :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin :biggrin

[TeamBajaMarine]

We all know you gotta go 496. A tweak here and a tweak there will gain you 50HP per motor. Is the warranty really 5 years? I thought it was only 1 year. As far as graphics, they change every 2 years.

[BajaChick]

Quote:
Jeff, congrats on your order. Along with Blake, 30outlaw and you, this is gonna be great getting updates. Keith

Hey now! Don't forget that Alan & I have one too! In fact, we spent 4 days on her in Charleston, SC over Easter. You guys covered the performance end of it pretty well, so speaking from a comfort standpoint let me comment on a couple of things. First off, the convertible berth is amazingly huge! It's kind of an inconvenience to put it together instead of just crawling to the front and crashing in a v-berth, but all the room is the trade-off. Secondly, the little net at the front that's supposed to keep stuff held back is ridiculously inadequate. It's about 8" high and our pillows and blankets kept getting thrown around in even semi-rough water. Bungee cords next time? :biggrin The refrig. rocks! We ran it in 80 degree weather from morning to late, late night without draining the batteries one bit. I don't think that it has quite as much storage room as our old 25OL, but we managed to make everything fit with some pushing and shoving.

It's a beast in the wind, but we haven't had any problems loading or unloading it. Oh....while the painted trailer is a nice finishing touch to the boat, it sucks because I have to wash it along with the boat and the paint touch-ups from a road trip are hell. The maintenance on the aluminum trailer was much easier.

The only thing I want to say re. performance is that yes, it does take a bit to get the nose down, but once it comes down and gets on plane, it shoots out of the hole. In my opinion, the windshield has been improved over the 25OL. It's taller so you can't see over it as well, but at least you can see through it and it definitely keeps the wind out of your face.

We haven't experienced any rolling or wobbling at 70+ but she did porpoise a little bit at times. Ours does sound like it's blowing out when you take off but it's not. It's got 4 blades on it but I don't know what size they are. I'll ask Alan when he wakes up (or measure them myself when we pull it out of the water tomorrow). It does ride quite a bit higher in the water than our old 25 or even our friend's 29OL.

I've got some pictures that I'll post once I find my camera. I even took some pics of chicks in bikinis for you guys up north who are missing out on all this gorgeous weather down here.

Congrats Jeff, Blake & 30Outlaw! You're going to love your new boats.


Leslie & Alan
2004 30Outlaw (that's still unnamed)

[WHOSNEXT]

I even took some pics of chicks in bikinis for you guys up north who are missing out on all this gorgeous weather down here.

Leslie, Thanks for thinking of us up North:tiphat , We had frost last night but suppose to warm up to 70ish inland today.:biggrin

[saleen367]

Blake, I understand where your coming from as I know you wanted to spend that money elsewhere in your 30. If you report back that you are running 77 mph with Mag's, I'll eat my words. But for me and me alone, I had 5 yr warranties thrown in to my deal. :party :party

After owning cars for 24 years and modifying them all, I'm ready to ride the coat tails of factory power, be it $13400 or not. I've done the supercharging, turbos and naturally aspirated power mods. I'm tired of what goes with it.:beathead :beathead :beathead

For me, its all about reliability. I want nothing more than to know I can jump in on any given day and those beasts will fire up. I don't want to wonder if the re-programmed processor is too lean on fuel or if that SC is going to blow my couplers, etc.

Leslie,
Thanks for the added info. Your a real trooper for coming aboard and keeping us all abreast ... aaahheemmmm ... up to speed on what to expect with our new 30's.

So you think some safety netting, like Simpson would be better suited for the v-berth area? I may add that in from Baja.

My biggest worry is loading and unloading. This will be my 1st twin and with this much boat the wind is a factor as well. Where I launch, there is little room for error as there are slipped boat 10-15' off port and starboard. Think I may launch elsewhere till I get the hang of it.

The prop size is stamped into the prop. You can't miss it.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Jeff,
Your points are valid as I have been there also, we all grow up sometime. I have pissed away more money on cars, mods, stereos etc. and it just aint worth it in the long run. You make perfect sense with the factory reliabilty and thus being said there is no guarantee I will even touch my mags, I probably wont ever. I do think that I can get this boat to do 77 MPH (plenty fast for the misses TBM) stock with prop and bolt on mods, we will only see as I am probably the only one who is getting the boat with mags.

[saleen367]

I am probably the only one who is getting the boat with mags.

Highly unlikely Blake. I'm sure as the hipe wears off, more and more will go the route you've taken. Especially as prices continue to rise each and every year.

Besides, its not as if it will only run mid 60's with Mag's. You will be plenty happy with it as will many.

[eddie]

Jeff, thanks for the numbers. I know it's a big hit, but as you probably know the lowers and gimbals are diffrent as well. I use to think it was just the bump for the motors until I checked it out a bit.

It will be nice hearing reports on the boats after they are on the water for a few months. Keep us updated.

[firehill19]

Bajachick, my mistake. How can i forget your pics of the 30 you and Alan purchased. Great looking boat. Keit