30' Outlaw Questions

[Dun Canoein]

Where do I go to talk to owners of this boat? I sold my 25 Outlaw and am looking to buy a new 30. I guess powerplant questions and top speeds for each type would be the most important to me.

[haulinvols]

First of all, welcome to the board. This is definitely the place to find out all kinds of information on the 30. The easiest way to get the info you need is to use the search p201.ezboard.com/BBSForum...marinefrm7 (http://p201.ezboard.com/BBSForum.showForumSearch?boardName=teambajamarine&forumName=teambajamarinefrm7) option. There are several threads on the site covering everything from top speed to graphics choices. You may want to read through the general archives from 2003 and 2004 as most of the threads are in those forums. Good luck.

[Seize n Ticket]

There are a couple of people on this site that currently have the 30 Outlaw to include Blake the owner of the site. I can only speak from my personal experience with the 30 as I was a demo driver for our dealer at a in the water boat show early last spring. The boat I drove had the 496 Mag HO's and with two people we saw a solid 80mph. The boat seems to have a bit of prop blowout as you come out of the hole, but once it hooks up look out. Personally for the $$$ I would go with the Mags only and not the HO's, but speed is not my biggest concern. There are a couple of great threads on here discussing the 30 in detail, which I'm sure you can find with a little searching around. The site looks a little different today. I guess Blake did some house cleaning over the holidays.

[missouri]

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[Seize n Ticket]

DC,
Ask and you shall receive. Happy reading!

[TL30outlaw]

Dun,

In addition to the info already posted, I'd be more than happy to help out with some of your questions. I have a 2004 30' custom outlaw with 496 H.O.'s. With barely breaking the boat in, I hit 78 mph (GPS) on Lake Erie and am pretty confident that it would run 80 if I had more running time. If you prefer the speed, the H.O.'s are the only way to go. Let me know if I can help.

Tony

[Dun Canoein]

Matt & Ali, Don & Barb, and Dan.........thank you very much for your time and info.......I'll check out the sites you have indicated.

Tony.....I'll probably be contacting you once I educate myself a bit more with some more specific questions

Happy New Year to you all!

Doug

[Pointerman1967]

Welcome to the board. Best of luck in your search and have fun shopping.

[fleg1]

Welcome to the family. Good luck with finding your 30 OL. Where do you do most of your boating?

[25OutLaw]

Where do I go to talk to owners of this boat? I sold my 25 Outlaw and am looking to buy a new 30.

Jacob Javits Convention Center, 35th Street & 11th Avenue, NYC - ask for Blake - he can give you a great deal on a loaded 30OL!
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Welcome to the board!

[Dun Canoein]

Hi Jeff,

Most of my boating is done in British Columbia (western province of Canada in case you are not familiar). Two lakes mainly.......Shuswaps with about 600 miles of coastline in the mountains and Lake Okanagan which is 80 miles long also in the mountains. Had my 25 OL in the ocean once......it was great but a long haul to get there.

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the lead. Is the boat new? I'll check out the topic you indicated.

Have a great day,
Doug

[TeamBajaMarine]

Doug,
Welcome! The baot in question is a new leftover. As you know I also own a 30OL and I will be happy to answer any questions regarding a 30OL. Alot of photos can be seen of the 30OL in the PHOTO GALLERY.

[Dun Canoein]

Hi Blake,

To your knowledge, has anyone put in sc575hp or 1075hp engines into the 30 OL? Any source of information on installation of these engines that one can read up on? I'm new to your site but from the little reading I have done, there seems to be varying comments to the upgrade costs for the different engine options. Can you shed any light on approximate option costs for the 525hp, the sc575 and the sc1075hp.........or direct me where I can find this out? Thanks,
Doug

[jar head]

Hey D.C. , Baja will put up to 525's after that you are on your own.

[Dun Canoein]

Thanks J.H. I'll see what Blake comes back with regarding prices.

[jar head]

I own a 30 ' also, 2004 496 mags not ho's couldnt see spending the extra cash.I like to spend it a little at a time Darin has my props now cant wait till spring.:evil
Chris L.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Jar is correct, Baja will only put in a HP525 / 500HP in the 30Outlaw. (I know someone is going to post, money talks) but this is what is in my guidline book. I cannot pinpoint pricing on this option, but $25K sounds like a good high number.

[saleen367]

Can you shed any light on approximate option costs for the 525hp

Base price, no options MSRP:

MerCruiser HP 525 EFI/Bravo I/SS Prop w/hydraulic steering (Twin 500 HP) - $202031

[fleg1]

You can Procharge the 496 for half of what the 525 costs. I would spend the money on extra amenities, and deal with the engines after you take delivery of the boat.

[jar head]

Or get the 496 ho's and talk to raylar.

[TL30outlaw]

You can bump the 496 H.O.'s from 425 hp to 470 hp for about $900 an engine through Whipples computer upgrade. Not bad price for 45 hp and a few miles an hour.

[darrellsbaja]

Tony,

Do you know anyone who has done this upgrade? As you know mine is coming with Mag H/O's also, but hey why not we all like a little more speed:headspin

[TeamBajaMarine]

Darrell,
Run your boat first, enjoy the 80MPH you will get out of the box, then do some prop work, thru hull exhaust. You will be pleasantly surprised, put some hours on her before messing with the warrantied engine.

[Dun Canoein]

It's going to be a tough decision I can see. Blake mentioned a deal at 110K for I think were 496HO's but I have to admit that a top speed in the 80's excites me more than in the mid to low 70's as I have read from you 30OL owners. On the other hand, the $202K + that Saleen mentioned as the msrp doesn't excite me at all!! I just received Baja's brochure I requested yesterday and I spent the evening drooling over it.....it also clearly explained the available engine options that I was unaware of.

Doug

[darrellsbaja]

Doug,

You will be happy with A Mag H/O choice

My boat is coming with thru-hull exaust and 28 pitch props, along with a tweek here and there that the dealer will help me out with along the way. :biggrin , I should see 80 to 82 out of this boat for this is what came out of the one I drove set up close to mine.. Blake your right I will enjoy it now for what it is and later push the envelope a little more:party

[TL30outlaw]

Darrell,

There is a 25 outlaw in Pgh that had the upgrade to his 496 H.O. and was extremely pleased with the result. While who knows the exact number, he said it added 4 mph.

I'm changing my stock exhaust tips to the Stainless Steel Rex Marine tips in two weeks and already have a pair of 28 labbed props to try. This should give me 2-3 mph. I'm debating the computer upgrade, but will need to make a decision. I might decide against it in favor of adding subs under the back seat. My 30 did not come with the sub upgrade - amazing for a boat that stickered at $185k.

Tony

[darrellsbaja]

Tony,

I agree with you on being surprised at what you do not get sometimes for the $$$, but then after being at the factory and watching the detail on every boat it made me feel a little better about what I spent:) The boat I drove at Hawkeye gave us a solid 82 with 28 pitch props running 5100 rpms, they felt that if I labbed them I might break into the rev limiter because it is so close. What is your take on this:huh

[TeamBajaMarine]

79 and change on GPS. Labbed Props will put you a tad over 80MPH. Click on this link...

www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=90 (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=90)

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

You have been at the shows already, what did the 30 Outlaw end up coming in at for 04's/05's . I was told $3,500 for boat show incentive on the 05. Is there anything I am missing on this?

[TeamBajaMarine]

Darrell,
I am not exactly sure on rebates as our boats were priced so low that our rebates were already worked into the price. The rebate is really between the dealer and Baja.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

Ok now im confused:huh . Rebates are supposed to be the same everywhere and published for the different models the way I understand it. What have you seen on the 30 outlaw twin mag h/o's and all the options with a trailer for the show price on an 05? Taxes kept a side

[TeamBajaMarine]

There is a 2005 SST w/ HO's and fully loaded with galley package in stock in New York at Willow Cove Marina for $119K with no trailer.

Not confusing at all, I cant write everything I know as it would take too long but the rebates on a 2005 30 Outlaw would be $3,500. So the price of the above boat is really $122,500.

Rebates are the same everywhere, the promotion is called "3.99 for life or Baja Speed Rebate" It is a winter boat show program.

[darrellsbaja]

is this a AC/DC galley package with shorepower for that price?
What do you think a tri-axl trailer really runs the dealer on top of that price? If someone wants a trailer there what does that add to it?

[ckmansell]

Darrell here at LOTO, a triple axle trailer for a 30 would probably be around $4,500.00.

[baja275]

these 2005 30 ol boats are available from this willow cove dealer in ny for 114k. i spoke to the owner the day after the show and he told me he just wanted to move inventory and that even a 30 ol that i ordered from scratch with my own color scheme would only add a thousand or two onto this price !!!! hence my point that NO one should pay these high prices or msrp at all. there are indeed deals to be had and we ALL should be talking about them on THIS site !!!!

[TeamBajaMarine]

AC/DC galley / shore power at that price.

275, Willow Cove obviously gave you a better price than what I was given, I spoke with them yesterday as well regarding this very thread and posted what I was told a few posts up.

A long time ago when we were specultaing prices on the 30OL before it came out, I said that the boat will be just over $100K, and when they first came out they were going for as much as $140K. So pricing has dropped considerably (at least here in the Northeast) and how can you say at $114-$120, this is not a good deal. MSRP on these boats is $160K.

Here is my question, and I did this at the boat show during the final hour, someone offered me $100K for the show 30OL, I said impossible to do as invoice is much higher than that, then I said, let me ask you something, If I agreed to $100K, would you buy and sign right now. Guess what the customer said?

So 275 I ask you, since you are calling Willow Cove and beating them up for pricing, are you buying one tommorow?

[ShoeFly88]

$100,000 at 3.9 for duration of note, with trailer and HO's........I will

[TeamBajaMarine]

I should have added, $100K cash deal, no trade, no trailer The customer walked. (ShoeFly is still beating me up at $100K, incredible!, Now he wants a trailer and 3.9 financing)

Morale of the story, everyone is looking for a deal, but not many are willing to actually buy at whatever price. This might not be everyones case, but at the show, $110k is still a great deal no matter how you slice it.

On another note, Donzi had a 28ZX with twin 350's at the show for $95K. You tell me, for another $10K you get 496HO's a bigger boat, more options and a comfortable cuddy. Seems like a no brainer to me.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

My boat has nearly every option including DC galley package, I chose not to go with the AC package with the microwave feeling We would not use this option personally. I am not sure what the price difference is between DC package, and AC/DC package, I believe it is about $800.0 more. Never the less when you back out the cost of the trailer. Triple axle, with L.E.D lights, and Alloy wheels. I paid right between the price
275 mentioned and you mentioned, so I think I did alright, my boat listed for about 170K, and then got an exceptional trade in amount on my 2004 25 Outlaw:biggrin

[ShoeFly88]

Hey, I am not beating anyone up. I was merely accepting an offer.

[darrellsbaja]

If this is the case, I will take one more at that price and offer:dancingjalepeno

[TeamBajaMarine]

Darrell,
So you paid between $114K and $120K with trailer? Are you happy with the boat and the price you paid? Then that is all that matters. Enjoy the boat and the options you decided on.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

If you backed the trailer out of the equation ($4,500) I would be falling in between the prices, other than that I am only missing shorepower, and The microwave. I did go DC package. I am happy with this price, I think you mentioned in a previous post that if you look back wondering if you got the best price compared to others you will drive yourself:headspin
So in the end you have to be comfortable with the deal you got and made on an individual basis. The dealer is a big part of the price with me on how they will service, and take care of you.:)

[baja275]

Blake , galley yes, shore power i'm not sure. prices have dropped considerably and MSRP MEANS NOTHING in my eyes. but my claim was that 115k for a leftover '04 was not such a "KILLER' deal. with my point being that a 2005 was not that much more!!! like 5k phone quoted from willow cove i really do not believe that the "show special" was all that it was cracked up to be, in my opinion... i know that i would sign today and not tomorrow at 100k but over that is just a personal decision that feel is more than i want to spend for a boat. i have walked a way from property and houses over 10k. i STOLE my '02 275 boss as a leftover in 03 and would love to do the same w/ a 30ol. but that is the ONLY way i would move up right now ONLY because my 275 is really perfect for my use. sure who would'nt want to move up to bigger and faster BUT is it worth paying TWICE THE PRICE !!! and no i'm not beating up willow cove just doing my homework as far as pricing a 30 ol and posting here which is what i think EVERYBODY on this site should be sharing...thats where i'm at

[TeamBajaMarine]

Darrel,
Exactly! As long as your happy with the price you paid, then enjoy that sucker!

Baja275,
I dont even know how to continue with you, I wish you all the best in your "great deals and finds"

I can tell you this much, you will never find a 30 Outlaw in this country, new for under $110K (actually if you want 6.2's and no option or SST package, you probably can come in at $100K, still interested? Willow Cove seems to have the lowest prices in the country as far as I can tell, but why waste any dealers time by getting quotes that are not going to be to your liking. You dont want to spend the coin, then obviously you are not in a serious position to buy. The price on a 30OL is what it is. Boating is not cheap and dealers must make money and your attitude is that they shouldnt.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

You going to LOTO? How long tell summer?:huh , The boat will be to Hawkeye next week, then its some custom work, and stereo upgrades. Can not wait to put her in the water:biggrin

[TeamBajaMarine]

Darrell,
I dont go to LOTO, I am in NYC. Summer is as soon as I can get my bopat out of starage and put it behind my house. I see you mention stereo upgrades, I guess you didnt option out for the one from Baja? I did, as I figured it was easier than having my stereo guy hack through my boat after it was delivered, The Clarion / Polk setup from Baja really pumps, it has 2 amps, 400 watts each, 2 subs and6 speakers.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

I understand you are in NYC, just thought you might try to make it to LOTO in July for the Gathering

The reason I opted to do this is because I can get more for the dollar on the same set up. We are going to use 3 sets of Polk momo's 6 1/2" component speakers, one set on each side by the cup holders, one set in the cuddy, and a total of 8 8" ultimates, 6 under the bench, 1 by the driver, and one by the passenger. Having a 13" TV put in above where the Microwave would go, and DVD. This system is going to be powered by 3 amps total using the factory deck, and serious radio:dancinbanana TV and DVD set aside the sound system is going to run around 2K, which ends up being more system for the dollar then from the factory

[ShoeFly88]

Hey guys, I know I am fixing to get my chops busted by you guys but I just got off the phone with the owner of the local Baja dealer here. The same guy I have bought two boats from already. He quoted me $103,000 for a 30 with HO's, SST package and an aluminum trailer. He said there were a few more options that I would want, that would kick the price to the $109000 range. I have just gotten into looking for my next boat so I am behind on much of the discussion on the 30 and all the options available. What questions and concerns should I have for the dealer when I talk to him next? Thanks in advance for the help.

-Mark

[TL30outlaw]

Darrell,

While I barely put 30 hours on the boat before she the winter, mine did 78 GPS on a warm day running at about 4900 RPM's. The boat you were on was running exceptionally well - if not too well. I do think that under ideal conditions I could hit 80, but would rather do the tips and try out the labs to try for 81-82. I still have room on the rpm side so we will see in the spring.

[darrellsbaja]

Mark,

Hard to believe that you could get that price unless there is a lot of small print. Is this 04 brand new leftover, or 05? Are we talking TWINS on this boat? Is freight and setup extra? I have never herd of anyone being quoted a price like this:huh
In fact based on conversation with Blake it does not seem touchable.

[ShoeFly88]

It would be a new ordered 05. It was twin HO's and I am sure it is plus freight. As I said, I am just posting what I was told but this guy has given me great deals on my past two purchases. If I continue to proceed with going this route, I guess I will find out if there is any "small print" and such. Again I am not saying this to be the facts just what I was told but, hey if it is correct, I would love to help my Baja brothers out and put them on the same deal.

-Mark

[darrellsbaja]

Mark,

What part of the country are you in?

[darrellsbaja]

Tony,

Yes it was perfect conditions, and it was awesome I can hardly wait tell mine is in the water..are you going to attend LOTO in July?

[ShoeFly88]

Ok, now, I'll tell you where I am but no "redneck" cuts. I am in Alabama.

-Mark

[TeamBajaMarine]

Wow! I have nothing more to say. I know what I bought my 30OL for, Darrel and Tony knows what they bought their 30 's for. We all know what they are being advertised for and we now know what dealers are quoting. I would personally like to see a contract signed form one of you guys that is calling around to dealers that you bought a 30 OL for $100K or very close to it. Then I will put my foot right in my mouth and shut the hell up.

[darrellsbaja]

Mark,

Fair is Fair ( No cheese head jokes ):lol

[TeamBajaMarine]

Darrell,
As I agree with your stereo idea, I was thinking the same thing, but the stereo was going to cost me the same, so rather than my stereo guy make swiss cheese out of my new boat and have it for a few weeks, I optoed for the factory 800 watt system instead. Trusts me, my boat sounds killer.

Also, I already did the DVD install, have a look...

www.teambajamarine.com/Co...=50&pos=40 (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=50&pos=40)

[haulinvols]

Ok, now, I'll tell you where I am but no "redneck" cuts. I am in Alabama-----------------------Ok, no redneck jokes, but how about some University of Alabama jokes? Just kidding. Welcome to TBM, the more of us southerners the better.

[baja275]

hey guys, not to sound pompous but i don't go into anything unless it is a "great deal or find" so yes blake your on the money and i can tell you, or you can tell the brass at baja that i would have NEVER , EVER bought my 275 boss if it was not for THIS SITE !!!!!! THANK YOU .... however killer deals are out there and i agree that there are buys out there, boattrader online shows two '04 30ol w/ho's and a trailer Louisiana for $115,800 so i'm sure that with some talking you get under 110k ... but we will never have knowledge, here on this site unless we discuss PRICES.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

I agree with you it is a great system, You will have to take a 8o at mine when it is done. The last one they did on my 25 outlaw was awesome and clean. This is the only reason I agreed to go this way. I was also told that the Clarion amps are not as good as the one's they could use after the fact. I agree with you the factory system is great a couple of my friends have the one you have in there 33 outlaws:D

[baja275]

800 WATT factory install sounds awesome and makes a lot of sense. whats the cost on that ? if you like your feet in your mouth thats fine but there is NO need to shut up:tiphat :tiphat :tiphat

[darrellsbaja]

Blake would know more exact, but I think I remember about $2,500 on that upgrade:smokin

[TL30outlaw]

Darrell,

I would love to attend and have been looking at the lake on the Internet alot. The only problem is that it is about a 12 hour drive from Pgh (estimation). I will lose a whole day just in drive time. Something to think about very hard.

[TL30outlaw]

Blake,

I know my buddy with his 03' 302 has the clarion system with the 2 subs on the sides. It sounds great overall, but the bass tends to crack when listening to music with strong bass tones at mid to high volumes. Does yours have this issue? I wouldn't know because I have to pay for a system this winter. :(

[TeamBajaMarine]

Yes,
The upgrade was about $2,500 and the only complaint is that there is no EQ (I may install one), The Clarion head unit has different tone settings but they are only adjustable up to a point and I do get some bass cracking when listening to deep bass RAP, but that is rare that I listen to that kind of music.

[darrellsbaja]

Tony,

Look at it as a one time opportunity it is going to be off the hook:party . I am almost 9 hours away myself. I drove 8 hours to the plant on Monday and then 8 hours back, but it was worth every hour

[saleen367]

I do get some bass cracking when listening to deep bass RAP, but that is rare that I listen to that kind of music.

:eek :eek :eek

[TeamBajaMarine]

Hey Jeff,
How are you? Where you been and how is the boat? All done?

[saleen367]

Blake,

Boat is done but I have yet to see it. Was finished on 12/29.

Due to work, dealer hours and weather, I have not picked it up yet.
Hoping to soon, but its supposed to be -20 here this weekend, so I'm willing to wait for a warmup.:rolleyes

It took 80 days to complete.
Seat vinyl had to be remade and recovered as well as many other items that you know of. Glad its done.:dancinbanana

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

Glad it is finally done for you, I am sure it will be great:music
Are you planning on attending the Baja event in Loto in July:party

[saleen367]

Are you planning on attending the Baja event in Loto in July

Not at this time, although the Mrs and I plan on Loto at least once this summer.

1st priority is a diesel pickup to get it there. The 5.4L F-150 works too hard as it is pulling only 8 miles to the lake.

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

Let me know we might be in for more than one trip:dancinbanana this summer, but if you are going to go you might as well go in July with the group

( check your E-mail about insurance )

[ShoeFly88]

Hey guys! Some of you may remember a few post back in this topic that I had gotten a quote from a local dealer and was begining to look around for my next boat. Well, this past weekend, I went to the Birmingham boat show and it appears I am the new owner of a 30 outlaw, 496 HO's. I will post the numbers because they are the facts and if others can benefit from it, then thats what it all about.

Boat - 110,000
trailer - 4,500
---------
114,500
tax 3,297
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117,797
rebate - 3,500
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114,297

This was with an SST package and a couple other options. This does include freight. I did not get a galley package b/c I dont use it. For those of you with a 30, I would love your recomendations on things you wish you may have done different or thing you may have added or taken away??

thanks guys,
Mark

[TeamBajaMarine]

Knowing exactly what options you have would put it in better perspective, but $110K and then the $3,500 rebate puts you at $106,500 for the boat. Not too shabby and probably damn close to dealer cost.

I wonder if they would have gone that low if you didnt buy a trailer from them, because this is where they could be recouping some money.

[darrellsbaja]

WOW 8o

1st off congrads on the new boat. Is this on a left over 04, or a new 05? Blake is right options can make a big difference in price, and it would be nice to put it into perspective. Do you have a list? Just got my 1st look at my finished 05 30 outlaw at Hawkeye, and Pictures should be on in the next couple days.:smokin Can not wait to put her in the water now! I am glad I got the options I did

Twin 496 Mag H/O's
SST package
Depth finder
Aluminum swim platform
DC Galley Package
Transom shower
Transom remote
Cabin Table
Quick and quiet plus 2 exhaust ( thru Hull )
Heritage triple axle trailer with Disc brakes/Alloys/L.E.D lights Done in Eliminator Purple

Now on to the stereo work/ DVD/TV work being done

[ShoeFly88]

Darrell, it is a 2005. I agree with you guys that options do make a huge difference. I ordered the sst package(can see it what it includes online). I added a compass, depth finder, swim platform, helm remote, quick and quiet exhaust, aluminum trailer and there may be something else I forgot but that is the gist of it.
Thanks for posting your option list b/c I forgot the transom remote and just called to add that so now I can tack on another $250. I did not do a galley package or transom shower. Again what else would you guys change or add if you had it to do over again.

-Mark

[TeamBajaMarine]

Mark,
What was the asking or show price at the show? I had a 2005 basically with the same setup at a show I just did for $119K, no trailer, but the New York show boat did have a galley, sink sink and the 800watt upgraded stereo that went for $109K. Which I thought was a giveway, so your price seems in line as a giveaway since you can deduct $3-4K for the stereo, galley and sink.

At these prices I am seeing, I should have went for the HO's and deleted the galley package since I dont have a use for it because I now live on the water. Still very happy with my 30 nonetheless.

[ShoeFly88]

Hey Blake, They didnt have a 30 at the show so I really dont know about a show price. We just got the book out and he said do you want this(options) and I would say yes or no. Tell me this.........Is there a weight gain or enough of a weight gain from deleting the galley package to give any speed increase?

-Mark

[darrellsbaja]

Mark,

The DC galley package does not run much more money, and with the price you got I would consider at least adding that because you have the Fridge and sink which makes it nice if you are on the boat a lot. I do not want to keep cold meats/snacks in the cooler. This way you only use the coolers for adult beverages.:biggrin . The transom shower I really like because with kids they can rinse the lake water/Sand of themselves before getting back in the boat. Fresh water on the boat is kind of nice to have.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Mark,
Probably not much in the way of weight, The cabinitry is there and they just add the sink, microwave and refrig. If you got that price at a dealer and not a show, then you made out very good my friend. At $106K my 2004 30OL just became an under $100K boat on the used market.

As I say again, when the 30OL first came out, I said it will be real close to $100K, anyone remember those posts over a year ago?

[ShoeFly88]

Hey guys, I have picked dark lime and electric blue for my colors. What color carpet do you think I should go with? Will the blue get hot in the sun?

-Mark

[TeamBajaMarine]

Mark,
I dont think you have a choice there, Blue is the color as lime green would look kinda, well lime green.0]

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

Have you recieved the uploaded pictures on my boat yet?
I think Don, or Curt uploaded them today to you for posting, and if so what do you think of the finished product?:D

[TeamBajaMarine]

Havent seen the photos yet, I will wait till they post them.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

Thanks, they should be :smokin

[ckmansell]

Darrell, just resized them and the upload was successful. Ball is in Blakes court now.:)

[TeamBajaMarine]

Pics have been approved!

So now on to my opinion as Darrell asked for it. First I will start with me having a bad taste in my mouth with Baja (NOT DARRELL, ONCE AGAIN NOT DARRELL) for duplicating the unique idea I came up (spending hours on the phone convincing them to do this for me) with by using the SSE graphic on a 30 Outlaw.

As I love the graphic and still do, I hate the Baja swoosh they put in the gel, it takes away from the graphic and just doesnt belong there. I also dont understand why they only use 2 colors on the top deck and not three, another reason why I opted for CUSTOM SHOP PAINT on my top deck, so I can have all three colors, plus having the graphic on both sides. I also am not a fan of the color dark violet and more so mixed with black as one of the other colors as it appears to be to dark together (I have seen this combo up close as we had a 23OL in Atlantic City that was 2 colors only, dark violet and black and it did not do it for me) I am also not sure I like the mixed gauge bezel colors as they are not symetrical in placement as well as the black face on the gauges. ( I Was unaware this was even an option)

But in Darrell's defense, this is what he chose, so he must be happy with it and he will get tons of enjoyment from this hot boat.

I know some of you will come down hard on me for giving this 30 such critique, but this is my opinion and it is in no way to offend Darrell, it is my opinion that he asked for and I will not lie about my thoughts since I already had the same boat built to my specs, some may not like what I did with my 30 and that is fine, your opinon as well.

Now that this is over and done with, I will say that to keep my boat unique in its own right, I will be sending her to Kustom Kolors immediately after the season is over this year to have a full blown 3D paint job overlayed using the existing in gel graphics

[fleg1]

I'm also not to sure on the 2 different colors for the bezels, as Blake said the placement doesn't look right at all!!!!

[ShoeFly88]

Darrell, you mentioned you had a transom remote. As I look at the pictures, I cant seem to find where it is located. Help me out here..........

-Mark

[TeamBajaMarine]

Mark,
I dont think Darrell had a stereo put in as he was going to have a custom one done by his own guys.

[ckmansell]

I like the graffics. SSE has been and to date still is my favorite Baja graffics of all time. Not to rain on Blakes parade but when he first announced here over a year ago that he was taking the SSE graffics and they would never be produced again, I seriously wanted to ring his neck. So I am personally glad to have them back. I still hold out hope that one of these days they will take these templates and make them the SST graffics for one model year, available on all Baja's. But I understand the Blake and Darrell probably hope they won't.

As far as the bezels go, I like them because they are unique. You do not see them like this very often, especially right from the factory. Do I think they could they look better with different placement, sure. But I disagree they look bad.:huh I did know this was an option, as a matter of fact Joe Lino had this option on his boat. However he used the same color for each power plant. IE..the tach and guages for the starboard motor were all one color, the center a different, and the port yet a third, with speedo and fuel guage a fouth.

If I was designing Darrell's boat, I probably would have done all the guages that pertained to the port motor in red, the starboard in purple then done the speedo and fuel guage in silver or black. That would have given it that symmetry you guys are talking about. But hey, maybe he doesn't like that, and it is his boat and as long as he likes it that is all that matters.

I will try to go steal a photo from Joe's web page and post it in the gallery later.

[ShoeFly88]

Hmmm, ok, I just saw a post of his on page 4 where he said he had a transom remote as an option. So where is this transom remote located?

Curt, I see you mentioned darrell getting a silver bezel on his fuel guage. I tried to get silver/chrome bezels but was told it wasnt an option........if it actually is, I would be interested.

-Mark

[TeamBajaMarine]

The option thing I was talking about was for the black insert in the gauges that Darrell has. That is what I didnt know was an option, I thought Baja ordered them all in silver face.

Also as far as the SSE graphics, the story behind that was that they were produced for the one year on the 29 Outlaw as a going away present since they were to be no longer made (well we know thats not true, since BTM has a deal with Baja to keep building them) I figured it would be trick to use them again, ONCE, on a 30 Outlaw.

[ckmansell]

I figured it would be trick to use them again, ONCE, on a 30 Outlaw.

You figured right, even though it wasn't once. Your boat is trick, regardless of what else is out there.;)

I missed that in your post about the black face. You are right I didn't even realize they were different, let alone an option.

[darrellsbaja]

Guys,

"Everything is an option if you want it":D . As for the color placement of the bezels, "They are doing some adjusting on this as we speak" I am curious to know how they would or should be done different? I am open to ideas." Give me some opinions.:dancingjalepeno Blake I understand you do not like some of the colors on the boat (I.E. Dark Violet ) But personally I do not like Light Violet on Your boat. As far as the colors on my boat I think the red in the middle brakes up the 2 darker colors, and ultimately I love it:) . As for the Transom remote I had that added after it got to the dealer so I could decide on my own placement of where it is. I am having lots of custom stuff done to it right now, and there will be pictures to come. This is the same as adding the Fender holders after the fact so "I could decide where to put them" I really like the dark gauges because they are unique, and when you see them in person I think you will agree, its hard to judge with bad lighting inside. In a nut shell everyone likes something different. I do not expect everyone to like my boat, ( the color, THE SWOOSH, etc.) Knowbody has to but me

[TeamBajaMarine]

So we are clear, there was no other choice on the TBM boat as far as colors, the colors chosen were as close to the website as I can get as that was the idea behind building and buying the TBM boat.

While we are on the subject of colors, my favorite color combo is Red, Black and Dove (grey) this is such a classy look and I have only seen it a few times.

[firehill19]

Blake, i'm with ya on the red, black, and dove. My favorite combo.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

The first boat I ever seen with SSE:smokin graphic on it was a 29 Outlaw with Dark Violet/ Red center/ and Dove off the back. Personally not my style, but that is why I ordered the boat the way I wanted:biggrin

[ckmansell]

Here you go Darrell. This will kind of give you an idea of what Joe did with his guages.

Click Here. (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=17&pos=160)

[Baja340SF]

Hey Darrell,

Good looking boat. Im not nearly as picky as some as the guys when it comes to colors. I think this looks good too. Ive seen Blakes boat and I like that one too. I like what he did with the painting on the deck so each side matches.
Long and the short...........colors are subjective to those who are picking them.
As far as the gauge bezels........who ever put them on was drunk!! :lol They just dont make any sense! Im thinking it might have been the guy who got arrested (see other thread) he's clearly had other things on his mind!! :thatsfunny
There are 5 small red bezels and four small violet bezels......AND....there are 5 small gauges on the middle row and 4 small gauges on the bottom row. Mabye and idea?

Anyway........Congratulations.......im sure you will love it!

[darrellsbaja]

The 2 water pump gauges are in the wrong order, and they are being switched as we talk, then you will have 4 purple on one side, and the reds on the others. Maybe even switch the oil pressure gauges. who knows:rolleyes

[ckmansell]

Darrell and I talked a length today on the phone. Phil, that is one combo we did not come up with. You might try it Darrell, see how it looks.

[fleg1]

Darrell

In my earlier post this morning I didn't want it to sound like that I didn't like the 2 different colored bezels, actually I do like it. I just did'nt think they were laid out properly, I can't believe they let the boat leave the factory like that. I'm with Phil I think somebody was smoking something when they were installed on your boat.

BTW the boat is hot as hell, have fun with it!!!!!!!:party :p arty

I just noticed that there aren't bezels at all, The gauges need to be grouped as stated by Curt. It looks like that the 2 red needs to swap with the 2 blue.

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

You hit it right on the head brother, The gauges are in the works, I guess they are not just bezels that can be changed, but they can be moved around as long as they are both oil pressure/ water Etc. Thanks for the compliments on the boat, Just waite tell all the custom stuff is done than it is going to be totally :smokin

[TeamBajaMarine]

all the custom stuff

Share with us, please.

[fleg1]

I can't wait please tell us about the custom stuff..

[ckmansell]

I know, I know! Tell'm Darrell.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Curt,
You are the man with all the secrets.:biggrin

[fleg1]

still waiting:biggrin

[darrellsbaja]

All right guys here it is...:party

1.) On the insides where the cup holders are this is getting painted the red to match the boat,Then The cup holders will be Dark violet in this spot.
2.) All the cup holders are going to be done in the boat (Red, or Dark Violet) Depending on placement
3.) The Headrests are outlined in Dark Violet now and they will be accented with Red outline right above the Purple.
4.)Vents are being painted like my last boat, some of you have seen this.
5.) Custom Stereo (Thanks to Joe, he is the Man) Joe is Dropping (6) 8" component speakers under the rear bench, along with (1) on each side in front of The bolsters. There will be a "pair" of polk audio 6 1/2 integrated in by the cup holders area behind the bolsters on each side. (1) set of polks up front by the 8" components, and then Polk Audio to replace what is in the Cuddy. This will be run by optimus upgraded batteries,(1) 750 watt 4 channel amp, and then (2) 350 watt 4 channel amps that will all be color matched and installed on the walls inside where your table cabin and porta-potti is located. All the speaker Grills are going to be painted to match the boat and will color coordinate as needed.
6.) 13" TV above the Sink area to the left, with custom Platinum plating to surround With Baja insignia.
7.) DVD/PS2 Hookups
8.) They are also installing all the things I opted to have done after the fact so I could make my own decisions on Placement like Fender Holders Flush mounted, Transom Remote, Drive Showers, (Removing the Muffs, and going with SS Tips):p
My list is at work, and I am sure there is more, but some can wait tell the pictures get posted;)

[BDannecker]

darrell,
This sounds awsome. Can't wait to see the pictures.

Good luck,
Bruce...

[TeamBajaMarine]

For those who want to see some of the stuff mentioned above...

The Cupholders, Matching Polk Speakers (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=50&pos=38)

Eddie Marine Tips (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=23&pos=69)

Latham Drive Showers (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=23&pos=74)

LCD Screen / DVD Player (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=50&pos=40)

[BDannecker]

Man, your boat looks GREAt Blake. Imitation IS the highest form of flattery... ;)

[TeamBajaMarine]

I look foward to seeing the additional stuff Darrell has planned with the paint work he mentioned. What he is doing to his boat is not imitating, he is doing his own thing, however to all, these things should be standard upgrades for all Baja owners. (I have done all these things on all 3 Baja's I have owned.

Anodized Cup Holders.
Eddie Marine Tips.
Drive Showers.
LCD / DVD (If room allows)
Stereo Design Tweak.
TBM Die Cut Stickers (Everywhere humanly possible)

Like I said elsewhere, wait till you see the pictures next winter after the boat comes back from Kustom Kolors. Trick what Clayton can do with existing in-gel graphics.

[darrellsbaja]

Bruce,

Trust me I do not have to flatter anyone. My dealer has done all these things on several of there boats for years, in fact my 25 Outlaw from last year was a show boat all customized with the exact things they are doing to my 30. Every person I know has done at least half of these things to there boat. Glad to see Blake has great taste, but you got the wrong idea if you think there has been ANY purposeful imitation here.

[ckmansell]

I cant wait to see the vinyl work on the head rests. That purple, red, purple, red, pattern across those is going to look very different.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Darrell,
You make it sound like youre reinventing the wheel here, but the truth to the matter is, and I hate to be so blunt, this all has been done already to a 30OL a year earlier and it happens to be mine. I think you should re-read three posts above, and while I am at it, I must say this thread is going south, fast. :evil

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

I think you are misunderstanding here, I did not say I was reinventing the wheel. I mearly answered the question you asked, which was about the custom things being done to the boat. I was simply stating that I was obviously not trying to copy your boat, as some might think. In fact you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned it becoming a common thing for some of the things I am doing to my boat.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Actually I am not misundertsanding you, You stated "wait till all the custom stuff is done" and I took that as we would hear something other than the obvious, okay the vinyl and paint is original, and I look foward to seeing that, not that I am going to do it as it is not my tatse, but I want to see how it looks before I make a comment.

It came across in your post that the other stuff your doing was the first time anyone has done it, when in fact its been done a million times and that is why I said read the posts above because it is the norm for all Baja owners to do these items.

Weather or not your copying my boat, I dont really care either way care but as Bruce said, imitating is the best form of flattery and I will agree. Lets leave it at that. :tiphat

[82C3]

Blake I think you are being a little harsh with this. People asked him, he answered. He is excited about his boat is the way I take it.You both have awesome boats in my eyes.
JMO

Tom Bolduc

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

I think you understand what I meant, and I think maybe it came across the wrong way in my post. Hawkeye is supposed to post the pictures of there 30 outlaw show boat soon, and that will give a better Idea of what I am doing. Question for you? You have had your boat for a year now, can you give any suggestions/recommendations on what you would do or have had to do if anything at all?

[TeamBajaMarine]

Tom,
Youre probably right.

Darell,
I wouldnt change a thing, I am done doing what I wanted to do on this boat, except for the paint work at the end of this season, and I am only doing it because it was the original plan when I was ordering, but because I kept it at a marine, I didnt trust the guys who launch me. Now since I will have full conrol of my boat, the time has come.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

Congratulations, I am sure you are going to love it. Kustom colors does awesome work:dancinbanana Nice to be in the position to be able to take advantage of something like that.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Kustom Kolors does do awesome work, They already painted my top deck, Baja logo and boat name. I met with Clayton and his team when I visited the factory and they are a bunch of great guys.

[ShoeFly88]

ok, changing the subject..........What props did your 30 come with? I saw in January Hot Boat a story on the 30 that had labbed 28" bravos and it only ran up to 76mph? Is this correct? So, what variety of props have you guys tried and what have you found to work best?

-Mark

[darrellsbaja]

Mark,

I have 28 pitch 4 blades also on my boat, but there are some tweaks that are being done that will bring the boat over 80 like the one I drove. X- dimension raised 1/25 with some other adjustments. Can not waite to get her in the water.:smokin

[TeamBajaMarine]

Mark,
There are other threads on this but I will give you the specs in a nutshell...

30OL w/ 496 Mags (375HP) come with 26P 4Blades and GPS at 72.6 MPH.

30OL w/ 496 HOs (425HP) come with 28P 4Blades and GPS at 79.5 MPH.

[saleen367]

Now Boys, lets play nice ... :eek








I like being on the sidelines for once :biggrin

[TeamBajaMarine]

A bit off topic, but I should mention I had a chat with R&D at Baja today and have come to find out that the 30OL with 496's weighs in at 7600Lbs, not the 6900 shown on the Baja website, the spec on the website is for 6.2L. Baja tells me the 496's are much heavier and then add a couple of hundred pounds for the closed cooling, go figure, this sucker is heavier than I thought.

[ckmansell]

8o CHIT. That is 100lbs heavier than my 33.

[fleg1]

Wow that seems heavy, my 320 is 7500 dry.

[ckmansell]

Me too! I guess all that liner and stuff really adds to it.

[fleg1]

Not to get off the original topic but I took my engine hatch off yesterday it was so rotton and waterlogged I know that thing weighed 300 lbs. I'm thinking I can lighten the boat atleast 175 lbs. I'm going to build the new one with Starboard.

[TeamBajaMarine]

So you all know this is factual, I had to get a precise number on the weight of the boat and I called the guy that was responsible mainly for the design of the 30OL, so he knows best. I needed this info reagrding my elevator boat lift.

[saleen367]

Blake ... around here we take the whole boat and trailer to a grain elevator and have it wieghed on their scales. Then you get a true wieght as the boat is driven on the water. No guessing how much the gear weighs.
Or ... most truck stops have scales that are much like running through a car wash.

All you need to know is the trailer wieght.

I used to do this with my Saleen all the time as it was important to know weight vs. trap speed for hp calculations.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Jeff,
Did you end up weighing your 30?

[garshev]

0] 0] 79.5 on a thirty outlaw with 496 h.o.'s I'll believe when i see it. You'd have to be turning 5200 rpm with 28's to get close to that and I doubt the rev limiter would like that. Speed is easy to talk about but hard to achieve. I've passed boats going 66 on my gps that have told me they were doing 72. Be happy with what you got because you ain't never going to be the fastest!!!!:dancingjalepeno :dancingjalepeno

[saleen367]

Not yet Blake, but I have a date with a scale this spring.

My boat has been gone getting service since Oct. 9th so not a lot of time to mess with it.

When I do, I'll post the results.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Garshev, Why the negativity? GPS's dont lie brother. The 30OL has been confirmed to do 79MPH on GPS with HO's, facts are facts and someone with a 30OL and HO's better post a photo of their GPS, quick.

[TeamBajaMarine]

www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=90 (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=24&pos=90)

[ckmansell]

79.5 on a thirty outlaw with 496 h.o.'s I'll believe when i see it

Look at the link Blake put there just above this post.

Now you can say you have seen it.:thatsfunny

[fleg1]

Looks like 80 to me!!!!!!!!!!!

[TeamBajaMarine]

80MPH is shown on the speedo, but in the descriptions below the picture says that there was a GPS speed of 79MPH.

[darrellsbaja]

Garshev,

Hey I drove a 30 outlaw 28 pitch props touching 5200 Rpms with hawkeye and she ran 80 all day long GPS, so when my new 30 gets in the water your welcome to take a ride, and I will bet you a tank of gas mine will do it.:party Just dont bring your boat we will end up dancing circles around her, because GPS does not lie0]

[TeamBajaMarine]

That is a fair bet, tank of gas for a tank of gas. I put my money on Darrell, let me know when it is set and we can start a pool. :spineyes Its funny how the non-owners always have something negative to say.

[darrellsbaja]

Blake,

I am willing to pony up and put my money where my mouth is, but would hate to have to hunt down a tank of gas:lol
I will get the gratification of just posting the details, and the pictures. We should remember this post:spineyes

Or maybe we just do something like, The one that looses has to contribute $100.00 to the TBM Support Treasure chest:)

[garshev]

:dancinbanana :dancinbanana On one picture the rpm's read 5000 and the speedo and gps at or around 75 mph. The next picture shows the same rpm,'s and 80 on the speedo?? What is that all about. You guys seem to be p
retty sensitive on this issue but I'm not sure why?? As for blake calling me a non owner I'm confused by that. My 33 with 500 efi's is no slouch and I say bring it on. :dancingjalepeno :dancingjalepeno :dancingjalepeno

[garshev]

Darrelsbaja Load that 30 up and bring her up to the st croix and mississippi next spring for some good times and great boating. Theres plenty of baja's and a lot of water.:p :p :evil :evil

[TeamBajaMarine]

Garshev,
Your a non 30OL owner. So you wouldnt understand how delicate this subject is to us 30OL owners. I guess the boat was just getting up to its maximum speed of....79MPH ON GPS.

[garshev]

:spineyes :spineyes darrellsbaja states that he rode in a 30 at hawkeye with the rpm's hitting 5200 and gps @ 80 all day long. Then the pictures of the speedo @ 75 and 80 with the tach at 5000 rpm. Like I said earlier 28's need about 5200 to gps at 79 and in neither of your pictures did the tach say 5200. I'm not trying to rain on your parade but facts are facts. :rollin :rollin :biggrin

[ckmansell]

On one picture the rpm's read 5000 and the speedo and gps at or around 75 mph. The next picture shows the same rpm,'s and 80 on the speedo?? What is that all about.

Since I was the driver, I can answer that. The 30 chine walks a bit at speeds over 73 or so. I had dropped the tabs on that run to about #5 to combat the problem. Once the motors were wound up I started picking them up and trimming out the boat. So yes the first picture the boat is slower because the tabs were dragging some.

Since you found that picture in the gallery on your own, I suppose you also saw the ones at speeds of 30, 38, 48, and 74 where the gps is pictured along side the speedo. So I take it you know that the liquid filled speedo was pretty close in accuracy.(dead on if you ask me)

The water was somewhat choppy that day due to wind plus like I said boat chine walks a bit when trimmed on the edge. My photograher was holding onto a gps in one hand and the digital camera in the other while standing next to me at the helm.(good job Don) As we got'r wound up to speed and the boat started to get bounced around we thought it best he drop one to hold on.:lickthis

Since we had already proven the speedo was pretty accurate he dropped the gps so he could get the photo of top speed. And yes the needle was just touching the inside of the mark for 81mph.

As Ripley would say, "Believe it or not."

[TeamBajaMarine]

Thank you Curt,
I belive that the 30OL w/ 496HO will do over 80MPH with the correct labbing of props.

And so we all understand that it is also confirmed (as I was the driver) on numerous runs w/ 496 Mags, the 30OL saw the better part of 72 on GPS, with labbing I hope to achieve 74-75. Stay tuned till spring and I will post the results and GPS photos.

[saleen367]

79.5 on a thirty outlaw with 496 h.o.'s I'll believe when i see it. You'd have to be turning 5200 rpm with 28's to get close to that and I doubt the rev limiter would like that. Speed is easy to talk about but hard to achieve. I've passed boats going 66 on my gps that have told me they were doing 72. Be happy with what you got because you ain't never going to be the fastest!!!!

Seems to me we have a non-believer in the group :lol

I think Gary forgets that there is a 30 close to him on the river that slipped his mind. One that participated in a Liquid Jungle event last August that he may have been a part of. :tiphat

Gary, just for the record that day, I had a full tank of fuel, 4 adults, 3 coolers and all my gear including blow up toys for the kids on board that day (I'm not one to throw out as much weight as possible for a mph or two). We ran 77.4 gps the only time my rider got out the gps. :)

Do I think it will run 80 gps bone stock? Maybe, but I never tried because its not a huge priority to me. I'm more interested in being fast and reliable. ;)

So, does your 33 run 80 gps too?:biggrin

And you are right about one thing. I'll never be the fastest ... but I knew that since 1987 when I bought my 1st boat. There is always someone with deeper pockets.:rolleyes

[darrellsbaja]

I was up at that run last year on the st.croix running a 25 outlaw, and would love to get the new 30 up your way, just need to get the dates. I suppose you, or Jeff could help me out with that. Maybe you will have to take a ride and we will show the speed in person. Nothing better than to see it with your own eyes.8o . You can make some adjustments besides the props to get it to run closer to the rev limiter, and as long as you keep her in the water you should not bust it:dancinbanana

[garshev]

I ran on superior next to a Hustler with triples and he said he had me at 83 gps but I have my doubts. I can safely say it'll do 75, which is waht I tell everybody when asked much to my wife's dismay as I tend to be conservative when asked that question.I've never been on the liquid jungle poker run but I did see saleen at treaure island last summer. Jeff where did you end up getting your boat issues taken care of?? :) :) :)

[darrellsbaja]

Garchev

It will be interesting to see them run side by side this summer than:dancingjalepeno

[saleen367]

Gary,

61 Marine did the work. Just got it back last weekend. Took them 80 days and oh yeah, they forgot to do all of the exterior work. The interior gel work looks great. :D The bolsters were supposedly re-covered by trained monkeys by the looks of things. Or maybe 61 sent them to the local High School shop class.
But how can a service dept miss what was like 5 items on the list? >:

[saleen367]

I've never been on the liquid jungle poker run but I did see saleen at treaure island last summer

Oops ... next time kick me in the shins to get my attention. :rolleyes

Please tell me J. McKenzie is not a relative of yours?0]

[saleen367]

I can safely say it'll do 75, which is what I tell everybody when asked much to my wife's dismay as I tend to be conservative when asked that question

Hey Gary ... that thing will do better than 75. Lets get together next summer and you can use the handheld. It may surprise you!:dancingjalepeno

I know there are guys running HO's on speedwake.com that are running 76.6 gps in their new 33's. :eek

33 Outlaw speed results (http://www.speedwake.com/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22459)

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

So what now?:huh Is there things that they missed that you will have to go back for again? Its B/S that you have had the issues you have had on your boat. Good news is Summer is right around the corner and you will be back in your new boat enjoying it:party . Have you given any more thought about the loto trip? If you are concerned about your truck pulling it, we might have options of another 2500 to pull it down there. Get in touch with me and I will give you the details.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Jeff,
Did I miss something? Why were your bolsters recovered?

[saleen367]

Blake ... the bolsters had several ripples in the vinyl as if something heavy had been resting on the center corners of the seatbacks during shipping. Regardless, the pattern was there to stay and Baja decided to remake the seats and have them re-covered.

Careful what you wish for ... I got new ones that look worse than the old ones. Its all because of the installation. Someone had no idea what they were doing when they re-covered these.

[saleen367]

So what now? Is there things that they missed that you will have to go back for again? Its B/S that you have had the issues you have had on your boat. Good news is Summer is right around the corner and you will be back in your new boat enjoying it .
Have you given any more thought about the loto trip? If you are concerned about your truck pulling it, we might have options of another 2500 to pull it down there. Get in touch with me and I will give you the details.

Yeah, it will have to go back for everything they missed.>:

That was the reason they kept giving for having it so long. So it could get done all at once and not have to be trailered back again. Why can't the boating industry be like the auto's?

Still thinking about Loto, but the truck issue will kill it if I don't find a deal. Gotta go Ford here Darrell, sorry. Tell your dealer buddy to find me a nice SD F-250/350 diesel Crewcab short box and I will listen. I like the Cummins, but I've been a Ford guy since I was 13.
Some around here but I could go to 5 dealers and get a different deal from each. I don't have a couple Saturday's to burn looking. I still have a hard time spending $30k on a truck with 40-50k miles.

[ckmansell]

61 Marine did the work. Just got it back last weekend. Took them 80 days and oh yeah, they forgot to do all of the exterior work.

Yeah, it will have to go back for everything they missed.

I don't mean to sound like a Monday morning quarterback. But you have had issues with this dealer before, so you I assume you went over their work with a fine tooth comb.

When you found the problems, WHY DID YOU ACCEPT THE BOAT?

I would have turned around, flipped them the bird over my left shoulder, got in my truck and said, dont call me until it is finished, and drove off.

Of course, then again, I'm an a$$hole.:lol

But seriously that is what should have been done here.

[TeamBajaMarine]

Better yet,
I would have returned the sucker for a full refund. This comment might open up old wounds for Jeff, So I will shut up as I'm an @#%$ too.

[saleen367]

Let me just say buying this boat has turned me completely off to the boating industry.

Say what you want about where it was bought or take shots however you must ... but I'm not going through this again ... ever.

I named the boat, Life's 2 Short because I felt we all have to live and enjoy life while we can. But this experience is literally shortening my life. Unfortunately Baja's CS Dept. has done nothing to help.

[saleen367]

I don't mean to sound like a Monday morning quarterback. But you have had issues with this dealer before, so you I assume you went over their work with a fine tooth comb.

Curt, this was my 1st chance at picking it up since it was done on Dec 29th. I wanted to get it inside and out of the elements. I was reassured numerous times by the service manager that it would be correct when I arrived.

It was late when I got there, service dept closed. They were closing and someone had broken the marker lights on the trailer and never said anything. More time wasted tying those up and finding replacements. The exterior was filthy as it had been sitting outside for 4 months. I couldn't tell until the next day that the exterior had not been finished.

They are driving down to pick it up and returning it when its done ... again.

I'm getting tired of being an a-hole ... didn't know it so much work.

[ckmansell]

They are driving down to pick it up and returning it when its done ... again.

GOOD DEAL! That is what they should do.:zzzzz

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

Think you are going to have her back and be able to drop in the water by the 1st weekend of April?

[saleen367]

Think you are going to have her back and be able to drop in the water by the 1st weekend of April?

I don't see why not ... but then again this is Baja's #1 service team in action so I'm shooting for 2 weeks max.:rolleyes

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

It looks like accourding to Midwest boat party.com the Misscroix is going to be August 6th, does this seem right to you?

[saleen367]

August 20 according to this thread

Miss-Croix date (http://midwestboatparty.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3655)

Wish it were different but I know how things change.:rolleyes

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

Ooops your right, guess I had one to many to drink:party
You going to make that run?

[Sacandaga]

Hey Jeff,

Sorry to hear of your ongoing problems. It sure does make it difficult to enjoy a new boat when you've got cosmetic flaws to deal with. It is tough trying to get stuff fixed. Yes, it can come back worse than the first time. I've got a few nicks and dings on mine that I'm learning to live with. I've got some quircky stereo issues that I think I've got resolved. I'll be damned if I'm going to let anyone else work on that stuff. My dealer knows nothing of amps/stereos, and the Clarion dealer Baja directed me to in Albany (1 hr away) sells tv's and knows nothing of marine stuff. I've been working with Clarion directly and think we've got it taken care of.

I hope all works out. Let it ride and enjoy that beautiful boat.

[saleen367]

Hi Sacandaga :D

I hate hassling with the warranty stuff. Always a headache.

They are driving down on Thursday to pick it up and hopefully within a week or so it will be back for good. :)

Darrell,

If I go to a poker run on the 20th of August it will the the Liquid Jungle in Alma WI just south of Wabasha MN. Miss Croix is fun too, but I love the chase helicopter and stills that you get from the Liquid Jungle.
:dancingjalepeno

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

We have never been to the liquid Jungle poker run, but wanted to go last year and did not make it. I thought these were always different weekends:huh

[saleen367]

They always have been in the past.

Miss-Croix has to move its date every year based off what the Treasure Island Casino says. Presumably, this was the only date available this summer for them. Liquid Jungle has been this same weekend since it started in 03.

Too bad, one poker run will do well, while the other will suffer.

[garshev]

Jeff, did you run the liquid jungle P.R. last year? I'm wondering how you get by red wing without a ticket from the water patrol. Also I heard getting into some of the harbors was an issue due to shallow water. I would like to run in it but I guess those two issues have stopped me in the past.
gary:D :D

[saleen367]

Hey Gary,

Last year we only went as far North as point, no point, which is just downstream of where the Mississippi empties into the lake. Or better known as Maiden Rock flats if memory serves me correctly. So we averted the Goodhue County WP.:dancingjalepeno

Actually I had been through the Red Wing slow no wake zone twice last year and had no problem as they are usually busy boarding some poor dudes cat or Cig. :rolleyes
Some guys make homemade turndowns from PVC piping as a temporary fix so the exhaust is quieted by the water when in the slow no wakes.:biggrin

Anyhow, most trailer in and launch at the Great River Harbor-campground. Plenty of room and we had a ton of fun last year.
Check out my two pics I posted from last year in the gallery.:)

As far as shallow water problems, we had two places that were a bit dicey. The entrance to Pioneer Club and the Great River Harbor itself. However, once you figure out where to go, or follow someone else, its a piece of cake.
3 Topguns, 50 Scarab, 42 Tiger, 43 Black Thunder and a 42 Fountain were the largest crafts there. Lots just below that in size. No issues that I heard of with shallow water.

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

We also wanted to attend Liquid Jungle, but were told mixed things about the run. We opted to attend the MissCroix instead and it was awesome:dancinbanana , and if memory is right I think the event by me was the weekend of the Liquid Jungle. Looks like both events are taking place the same weekend, along with the event on the lake I live on here:huh . To many choices, but we would like to get some more opinion on the liquid Jungle run. One thing for sure summer is not even here and already it is to short

[saleen367]

To many choices, but we would like to get some more opinion on the liquid Jungle run.

Check this out:

Liquid Jungle MWBP thread (http://midwestboatparty.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1063)
or
2005 Liquid Jungle info (http://midwestboatparty.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4088)

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

Looks like your decision is leaning on the liquid Jungle poker run:dancinbanana

[Bajaman81190TC]

Jeff, did you run the liquid jungle P.R. last year? I'm wondering how you get by red wing without a ticket from the water patrol. Also I heard getting into some of the harbors was an issue due to shallow water. I would like to run in it but I guess those two issues have stopped me in the past.

Hi Gary, long time no see. Last year we changed the course for the liquid Jungle Poker Run. We have eliminated Red Wing and pretty much goodhue county in general. The course and stops worked brilliantly so it's safe to say this year will follow suit. As for shallow water we had no issuse. But then again it's our home turf so we know the area. Some people didn't follow the instructions given at the drivers meeting and wandered off course. If you follow the pace boat you will have NO problem becasue Todd has no problem getting his 20,000lb 50ft scarab in to the harbors. Hope to see you this summer!:dancinbanana

[darrellsbaja]

Brian,

I think our group is leaning toward your event this year. Hawkeye is a sponser on this for you, and we are all owners from the Hawkeye gang. Any additional information on where to stay, slips, cost, registration would help on this:tiphat

[saleen367]

I may be mistaken but Hawkeye sponsors the Miss-Croix not the Liquid Jungle.:huh

Maybe they've moved their sponsorship since last year, but I haven't heard that.

[garshev]

:dancinbanana :dancinbanana Sounds like I will be doing the liquid jungle run this year. More info on the sigh up would be appreciated. Thanx
:party :p arty:party :tiphat :tiphat

[saleen367]

Gary,

Contact Caincando1 for info or stay tuned to Midwestboatparty (http://midwestboatparty.com/phpBB2/portal.php) as I think they will be a major sponsor again this year.:D

Hope to see you there.
:dancingjalepeno

[darrellsbaja]

Jeff,

Accourding to Hawkeye they sponser both of these events, and plan on sending a group to both. I think we have decided on this event, as we are told it is off the hook.:party Looks like there is going to be a couple 30's there this year

[Bajaman81190TC]

The information for this years Liquid Jungle Poker Run should be decided and available later this spring. I'll let everyone know when all the info is available.