04 29 OL vs. 30 OL

[missouri]

Pretty big difference from the 29 OL to the 30 OL....from another forum; $87K d'lvd.,w/tri-axle trailer...

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just sealed the deal on new 2004 sse 29outlaw w/496 mags and all the goodies. iam new to the board but like what i seen. what can i exect top speed from this boat any info or advice about it would be appreciated. i have owned three previous bajas 91 bandit 454mag, 99 h2x 454mag, 01 272 496ho, all were bought new. I will pick up boat on jan 27 and water test. thanks



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I live in okc,ok yes it will have 4blade 26p b1, iam having the baffles taken out of the QQ exhust and going with the 4"SS pipes, ifigured the baffles would be restrictive and when the QQ is not activated i want that sweet sound. The boat is red, black and dove on white. on a triple axel trailer. another question I feel i got a good deal @ $87,000 with every thing. It came out of dallas. It seemed alot of other dealers wanted more and were not willing to deal. thanks for the info



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killer deal, did you get it from casey at IBC?

yes I did....

[GottaHaveIt]

It'd be big news if anybody could go in and buy a 29 OL for that price. It's great to hear about such a killer deal, but it's a very rare deal at that, and none of us have seen the bill of sale. I'm not saying it isn't true but I am really skeptical about someone saying they got such a good deal on a new boat with the options it has compared to the other 29s that are still for sale for over $100K with 496 Mags.
I like the looks of the 29 Outlaw. Hate to see it being discontinued!

As for the 30 Outlaw pricing, there is always a mark up when something new comes out. In a few months the newness will wear off and the prices will (should) come down to reality.
I can't believe what new boats sell for these days, and the bucks that Mercury Marine is charging for their engine and outdrive packages is rediculous!

[saleen367]

Great deal IMO.

I've been mulling over this very topic for 4 days.

$126k for 30 OL or $105k or so for a 04 29 OL.

I was at Hawkeye on Sat. to see the 30 in person. I must say it is killer on the outside. I'm still mixed on the interior though. I understand the thinking behind the FEA technology, but I'm not sure I like the looks or maintainence with it in the cuddy.
I keep thinking of all that shiny grey fiberglass or whatever it is and how it sgoing to get scratched to hell and show every bit of it. For someone like me who uses the cuddy for maybe one or two nights a year, I can't justify the added expense or headache.
The enclosed head is great for the girls, but thats what a door is for as well.

Like I said, the 30 is killer until you go inside the cuddy. Helm layout is superior and vision is super. And from the outside it looks nasty mean. Looks bigger on a trailer than it really is. Twin engine access is reasonable if not good. Spark plugs and general maintainence no problem. Like I said, it looks awesome!

The 29 is much softer outside with the rounded corners. And the 29 also seems to have shorter gunwales as well.

I have some soul searching to do.

[OUTLAW 29]

I keep thinking of all that shiny grey fiberglass or whatever it is and how it sgoing to get scratched to hell and show every bit of it.

I would not worry about the liner getting scratched since most folks only wear bare feet in the boat. I would worry about stress cracks all over the place. Most boats I've seen with fiberglass cabin liners have stress cracks in all the corners and on all the edges. Some folks may not mind but if I had to look at stress cracks all over the cabin, I would be so bummed out I wouldn't even want to use the boat.

[missouri]

saleen

supposedly the dealer he bought it at has a new owner ...
someone else was looking at the same boat and they hit him at 100k....the 87k was w/ the $2500 rebate, $10k down, and financed so they made a little there...he said he was hit at $95k everywhere else...at least we know what they CAN sell one for if they want to, and he bought out of his dealers area so that BS didn't come in to play.

[liquid]

I know one of the owners of the dealership that actually sold the boat and it DID go for 87000, they regret it now because they only have one more and get get any more, so thats why they want more money, he said they would sell them all year for that if they could get more, but the 30's are the only option when dealers run out of 29's and they only had 2

[saleen367]

Now that I'm leaning towards the 29, I'm afraid that there won't be many available. I hear the production run is over. There can be no more orders.:(
Secondly, I have to buy from my territorial dealer to get the incentives. He has none in stock or ordered.

Then I move on to the 30 and realize he's overpriced on that as well. I don't know MSRP on the 30 yet, but I have seen others with Mag's and galley, etc listing for $149 k. Figuring the added $10k for HO's and that should put an MSRP around $159k. :shocked

Now the question is, should I be able to pull 25% from the MSRP and expect a good trade price as well? Or am I looking at 20% or less?
As it looks now, he's deducting 20% and giving me $55k for my 25OL, which equates to $59k buying power figuring tax.

Theres got to be 40% margins built into these boats. I feel he can move at least another 5-6%. I plan on being patient and sticking to my guns on this one. I look at it like I don't need a new boat, even though it would be nice. :guns

[missouri]

newoutlaw said that he had purchased 3 new Baja's from the OK. City dealer but he was to high so he bought in Dallas w/ incentive's(I assume the rebate is part of the package)...why doe's it apply to you saleen and not him? Tke OKC dealer had some in stock too...:eek

[saleen367]

They can give me the rebate but not the financing. Apparently if a dealer gives the rebate its not traced back in time, but the financing is caught at the time of application.

I've been through this before last May and that is how it was explained.

I also followed this thread on OSO and it seems that the dealer in Dallas was not aware that 29 can no longer be ordered until after this deal was made.

I'm checking with 61 Marine tomorrow just in case thats false.

[missouri]

seems that the dealer in Dallas was not aware that 29 can no longer be ordered until after this deal was made.Thats hard to believe,,,lol.
They also said it was his 1st sale since buying the place...I think he needed to loosen up 60-70 k...:spineyes

[ckmansell]

Baja is offering 0.001% introductory rate for 18 months increasing to 5.75%, resulting in an APR of 4.56%, on all 2003 and older models.

On 2004's the rate is a 1.9% introductory rate for 18 months increasing to 5.75%, resulting in an APR of 4.96%.

Why not take the rebates as mentioned above and go get your own financing. Amost everybody out there is offering 4.9%, which if your looking at an '04 is lower than the 4.96 average Baja is offering, plus you get the rebate to boot!!! :thumbsup

[TeamBajaMarine]

30 OUTLAW MSRP..
pub47.ezboard.com/fteambajamarinefrm75.showMessage?topicID=350.topic (http://pub47.ezboard.com/fteambajamarinefrm75.showMessage?topicID=350.topic)

[Seize n Ticket]

Big Thunder Mairne has a few 04 29's. You might want to check them out.

[saleen367]

Thanks for the tip Don, I'll be calling tonight.

[bajaneil]

Jeff,

i'm curious as to the options and engines available in those 29's. Also the prices, if you wouldn't mind.

just for the record, i'm not interested in those, but a dealer near me has a couple and i'd like to compare.

thanks,

Neil

[saleen367]

i'm curious as to the options and engines available in those 29's. Also the prices, if you wouldn't mind.

I have no idea really what the prices (MSRP) are on the 29 OL other than the ones I have seen on boattrader or in person.
Hawkeye has one in stock with an asking price of $109k w/Mag's.
Others I have seen from around $97k. Most are usually ordered with the same options, SST pkg, Stereo remote, swim platform, carpet, etc.

Below is what appears on the Baja web site.
Options:

Canvas

Bimini Top & Boot: Sunbrella
Cockpit Cover: Sunbrella
Mooring Cover: Sunbrella
Electrical

Battery Tray/Switch: Additional (Std. w/Twin)
Compass: 6" w/Light
Lights: Docking
Depth Finder
Gauge Panel Set: Gaffrig (Purple, Yellow, Red or Blue Bezels)
Shore Pwr/Charger/Outlets/A-C Panel/Cord/Galvanized Iso
Engine Compartment

Fire Extinguishing System
Freshwater Flush
Fume Detector
Engine Options Single

MerCruiser 496 Magnum/Bravo I/SS Prop/375 HP/OER - Opt
MerCruiser 496 Magnum HO/Bravo I/SS Prop/425 HP/OER - Opt
MerCruiser HP 500 EFI/Bravo I/SS Prop/470 HP/OER - Opt
MerCruiser 575 SCi/Bravo I/SS Props/550 HP/OER - Opt
Engine Options Twin

MerCruiser MX 6.2L/Bravo I/SS Prop/320 HP - Opt
MerCruiser 496 Magnum/Bravo I/SS Prop/375 HP/OER - Opt
MerCruiser 496 Magnum HO/Bravo I/SS Prop/425 HP/OER - Opt
MerCruiser HP 500 EFI/Bravo I/SS Prop/470 HP/OER - Opt
Exhaust

Corsa Quick & Quiet Plus: (500 EFI, 575 SCi)
Corsa Quick & Quiet Plus: (thru 496 HO)
Thru Hull: w/Corsa Quick & Quiet II (N/A on HP Engine Options)
Exterior Accessories

Rubrail: White w/SS Insert
Shower: Transom
Swim Platform: (Aluminum) - Colored (Red, Dark Violet, Yellow, Deep Navy, Electric Blue) w/Bolt-On SS Ladder
Carpet: Snap-In Cockpit (40 Oz) (w/Baja Inlay - Twin)
Graphics

Boss
Boss II
Full Color
SST
Interior Accessories

Pillows: Accent (Single)
Table: Cabin
Toilet Upgrade: Pump-Out, Includes Porta Potti (N/A w/Team Baja Pkg - Twin)
Factory Installed Options

SST Pak:
Custom Steering Wheel
Large K-Planes w/Indicators
SST Panels w/Gaffrig Monster Gauges - Bezels
White Kiekhaefer Controls w/Trim on Handle
Fire Extinguishing System
White Rubrail w/SS Insert
Rubber Mat under Rear Bench
SST Logos
SST Graphics (Red, Yellow, Blue, Purple)
Sunbrella Cockpit Cover
Performance

Extension Boxes: w/Extended Large K-Planes
Low Water Pick-Up: (N/A w/Side Water) Except 500/575
Side Water Pick-Up: (N/A w/Low Water) Except 500/575
Steering

Steering Wheel: Custom "Platinum"
Steering Wheel: Custom - Blue, Red, Purple or Yellow Accent
Controls: Kiekhaefer (White) w/Trim on Handle
Stereo Systems

Remote Control: Additional
Polk Audio/Momo Performance w/6-Disc CD Changer
Remote Control
Clarion Performance Plus: w/6-Disc CD Changer
Trim Tabs

K-Planes: Large w/Indicators
Trim Tabs: Dual Ram w/Indicators (Std. w/Twin)

[liquid]

Missouri, I did not say he bought the place, he has intrest in it and has been there since 1998, and is a freind of mine and several board members, first sale since they were joined by foutain lol:p

[ckmansell]

What they have are the single engine '04's with the SSE (Special Edition) which has most of the goodies. The engine is the 496/375. MSRP is $89,450. I will check later to see what they have in twins.

[bajacraig]

Just got my list from BTM

Lets see
they have 5 33's (04's)
3 29's (04)
1 29 (03)
5 292 Islanders
5 275's
5 20's
and a few others
40'
36'
232 Islanders
.38
342
25's
:armed

[liquid]

the sse is only ava. with 496 mags, the 03's and older were available in a single

[liquid]

8) unless my buddy , the dealer , did not know what he was talking about, ( possibility)

[ckmansell]

They got 3 '04's last fall with a single engine 496mag. Graffics I had never seen before. I asked and was told is was a special edition series (SSE) to get rid of the '04's left. Haven't really crawled all over them yet. Waiting on warmth.:thatsfunny

[bajacraig]

All 3 04's and the one that's an 03 all have the same "Single 496 MAG/375 HP"

[liquid]

Sorry if I had mis info, mabye he meant max power


good luck getting rid of a sigle 29, much less 4 of them

[saleen367]

Sorry guys ... appreciate the help, but the single engine 29's don't have much appeal to me.
I've been watching a single engine 29 on boattrader for what seems like forever and I don't want to go down that path.


Apparently Hawkeye in IA has a 29 arriving with custom graphics and HO's according to their web site. Problem is the hull is yellow and I much prefer white.

I'm heading to MLPS on Friday to talk serious numbers with 61 Marine on their 30 OL at the boat show. If all goes well, who knows, I may be burning more gas than anticipated this summer. If not, there's always next year or I may try IBC. Could be worth the drive.

[missouri]

Missouri, I did not say he bought the place, he has intrest in it and has been there since 1998, and is a freind of mine and several board members, first sale since they were joined by foutain lol I know you didn't...newoutlaw did...:)

[ckmansell]

good luck getting rid of a sigle 29, much less 4 of them

Actually, the 29 single is one of my dealers best sellers at LOTO. He sells about 12 per year. He told me one time he makes a lot of $$$ on a 40 or 38 special but the 29 single and the old 272 was his bread and butter.

What he has a hard time getting rid of is 29 twins. He only sells about 1 or 2 a year. As a matter of fact, this time last year he still had a 01 left over with 454mags. Finally just about gave it away early summer of 03.

[ckmansell]

Ahhhh.... looks like Craig helped us out with some pics in the gallery. As you can see here is an '04 single SSE. (http://www.teambajamarine.com/Coppermine/displayimage.php?album=17&pos=77) There is a photo of another in the gallery.

[liquid]

Missouri,
sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought that was steered at me,:cheers
I would hate to be stuck with a single 29 anyway, hell 29's with twin 7.4's won't even get out of its own way
Probably first time buyers listening to sales pitch, having no idea what they are grtting thereselves into,
mabye they just sink them and collect insurce, because I follow most classifieds in that range and have only seen about 3 used ones 4 sale

[missouri]

np liquid...should have been more specific...
there's 3 members here who have and like 'em, they say the weight distribution is good and handles LOTO fine...just run mid 50's....avid boaters who have owned several boats...."pssst, one of 'em's a homicide det. investigating a murder..where were you last Sat. at 2:00am" :o
I would rather have the twin mags personally(496)

[bajacraig]

MO. how did you know it was 2:00 am :shocked

[missouri]

LOL..thats what Don said while beating me w/ a phone book during his interogation...and all I said was I didn't like aluminum swim platforms, hate to see what he does to s'one who d'nt like the whole boat! :o :lol

[bajacraig]

I would hate to be stuck with a single 29 anyway, hell 29's with twin 7.4's won't even get out of its own way

Probably first time buyers listening to sales pitch, having no idea what they are grtting thereselves into,

Nice to have you back Liquid :thumbsup

Way to make friends and influence people :cheers

[liquid]

Nice to be back craig:rocker

Not really trying to make freinds though
or influence any one
just stating facts yhat I've figured out by buying and selling boats and not losing money,:cheers
but making money on every one, first rule being buy mags or more


any way I am not here or there to make enemies or win a pissing contest:guns

I am here to state my thoughts on boats

[Seize n Ticket]

Liquid,
Glad there your thoughts...I happen to have a single 29' Outlaw and love it. I would guess I do a lot more boating then the average person (avg. 100 hours per year on the boat) and I subscribe to Power Boat Magazine, which I read form cover to cover. I also read Curt's Boating Magazine when he finishes it. I have been boating since I was a child, so I think I am qualified to make a wise boat buying decision. I have also driven the 29' Outlaw with twins (70MPH); however, it rides a little rougher then the single. That coupled with the money difference we purchased our 29. I guess everyone can't own a 46' Skater and run 150 MPH. Funny, I have used these terrible single engine boats to pull the 100 MPH boats to the marina...they never seemed to mind my mild powered boat that can't get out of it's own way as they we sitting dead in the water.

[haulinvols]

Don, right there with ya on this one. I will probably never own a 150 mph boat nor would I want to on my water. I have had people (Baja owners included) that have said that I did not buy a real Baja. I have had people tell me all the time what I should and should not buy. I get opinions from everyone it seems, but they are just that, opinions. I bought the boat that best fit my lifestyle and budget at this time. It does everything I need it to do, and without spending an arm and a leg. Do I want more later, of course, we all do. But I am smart enough to live within my means. What good would more boat do me at this time but make me work weekends to support it? Not much because I would't have time to use it. Bottom line is they make all different makes and models because not everyone desires the same thing. As far as people telling me it's not a true Baja, all I say to them is, what makes a Baja a Baja? To me it is a boat with attitude that looks great and performs better, than any boat in its price range, I personally think that my boat fits the bill. Hey I'm 28 years old, I got plenty of time to move up. All I can do is work hard, take care of my family and enjoy life. The rest will take care of itself one day. Just my .02:armed

[ckmansell]

I follow most classifieds in that range and have only seen about 3 used ones 4 sale

You are correct. It is called supply and demand. When people buy these boats, they love them so much they never want to sell them. That is why you do not see many for sale.

And if you do, check this out. Twins are a dime a dozen. Because of that, their resale is somewhat lower. Because singles are a little harder to find, their price is pushed up a bit. What you end up with is two boat boats, same condition, same year, however the single is a lot closer to the price of the twins than when they were new. In some cases I have seen as little as only 4K difference. Crazy isn't it.

BTW, I am not sure what you are talking about on the twin 7.4's in a 29. I personally have driven a 29 O/L with twin 7.4's and that sucker haul'd a$$. Almost 70mph.

[Seize n Ticket]

I know exactly what you are saying. My first boat was a 17' Glastron...drove that sucker everywhere the big boys went. I have moved up several times to our current boat and the ride is unbelievable in the rough waters of LOTO. I purchased the boat that fit our current needs and the wife in not to excited about going 100 mph. Hey, I am no different then the next guy on wanting speed on occasions; however, I don't need it every time we hit the water. If you ever get up this way you can tie up with me and the wife any day.

[Makesmehappy]

Seize n Ticket, I would like to hear more about your experience with the single 29ol. I am Intered in one of these, first because I would not have to alter my dock, second maintenance issues, and third the rough water ride. My current 265 dvx does pretty good most weekends but holidays can be an adventure. While I think rough water can be fun, my wife does not enjoy it. Leaving last years shootout was the first time she ever enjoyed the "race" to get down the lake ahead of most of the pack. So a smoother ride is what i am after, after all a happy wife is sure more fun than the alternative!!!!! :cheers

[Makesmehappy]

oops :cheers

[liquid]

Yeah right, everyone buys a 29 foot performance boat to go 55, btw a 29 with 7.4's is a 65 gps boat, and I would say for my taste of a boat that cost that much (offshore boat) thats pretty slow, but I guess everyone has there own opinion of slow, everyone I know with a boat any bigger than a hammer or so wishes it had mags or is upside down because of the resale value of an underpowered "performance boat"
I'm not knocking or bashing anyone that has one, no offence to "seize and ticket" they are probably a good way to get length for your$ to handle the rough water at LOTO just not my cup of tea from an investment perspective, a 29 is a lot of fun at between 75-80, and a poker runner from hell, if you like to fly , thats what makes it fun


Email and message forums can often be misunderstood, since you can't connect a tone or face, I did not mean any thing I've said rude or directed toward anyone, just an opinion, I really don't care what boat who has as long as they float and have fenders to tie up:rocker

[ckmansell]

Liquid I guess I am fortunate to boat at LOTO. Boats have excellent resale here. But you are right, I get "Yacht Trader" and look on internet a lot. I see some real depreciation, for various areas of the country. If it were like that here we would not be able to boat like we do.

There are some who have figured that out. I know a few guys who go to FL and buy boats. They tow them to LOTO and resale. A lot of times do nothing but wash and wax and make 5K.

Just to put it in perspective here is a link (http://www.bigthundermarine.com/html/index.php?page=Pre-Owned+Boats&action=Preowned+Boats+Listing&catid=Performance+Boat) to my dealers used inventory. Take note of the asking prices on the two single engine 29's. He will get it too. He won't neg.much on these, knowing that 29's are very popular here.

[liquid]

Curt,
I appreciate your politeness, thats what makes all this worth while,I know I'm not the most popular guy here, for obvious reasons but, I don't want to miss out on anything due to stupid @#%$ in the past either, I wish everyone could just be cool


that aside, Those 29's are bringing murder up there, I can buy an 01 with mags and under 100 hours SST for 69,000 , but think I'm either going for an older 32 outlaw or a 36, Thanks for the info , you just gave me an idea.

[bajaneil]

Hey Liquid,

Appreciate your honesty. Few questions, which twin engine package would get the 29 outlaw to 75 to 80 miles per hour? What would the reg mags do? the ho's? and 500's?

And if you don't mind my asking, where are you located?

Thanks,

Neil

[Seize n Ticket]

Makesmehappy,
Our 29 takes the water very good on any weekend. There are times when you need to back off a little to get through some of the roughest areas to keep the wife happy and in her seat. We drive both a 29 with twins and a single and for whatever reason the single rode better. This was good news for me, since the maintenance would be much cheaper. We usually just cruise (35-40 mph) the lake enjoying the scenery, sun and water. I don't think you can go wrong with this boat if you’re looking for a good dependable ride. Let me know if you have more specific questions or you can e-mail direct.

[OUTLAW 29]

Appreciate your honesty. Few questions, which twin engine package would get the 29 outlaw to 75 to 80 miles per hour? What would the reg mags do? the ho's? and 500's?

I have an HO 29 that runs 79+ on GPS with 27's.

OSO Member jl29olhp500s has an HP500efi 29 that runs 82 on gps with 30's.

TBM Member GottaHaveIt has been in an HP500 carb 29 that ran 78.6.

I don't think regular mags will get you over 75 in a 29.

[OUTLAW 29]

Here’s a link to the boat that TBM Member liquid is referring to:

adcache.boattraderonline....028812.htm (http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/1/2/64028812.htm)

You guys can take a look at the pictures and judge for yourselves as to the condition of this boat. TBM Member liquid doesn’t need anyone’s help protecting him when it comes to buying used boats. He’s quite savvy when it comes to used boats. I'm just trying to put some of you guys’ minds at ease so you don’t think there are tons of killer “get something for nothing” deals out there (especially down in Florida). It’s another case of that age-old saying – “if a deal looks too good to be true…”

Those LOTO prices do seem a bit outta line though!!!

[ckmansell]

OUTLAW29, send me an email at ckmansell@yahoo.com (ckmansell@yahoo.com) I been wanting to contact you but the email I used for you a couple months ago is not working.

[liquid]

Neil,
The 29 that I have pics of on oso , I don't know how to post them here or I would was me at the lake travis poker run with 502 mag's with 27" props running 76.4 at best light speed 75 regularly
the same boat previously had 500 efi's and was running 79.5 probably had more in it , that was still with 27's at about 5,400, with the ecu's re mapped


I am in TX, Headed to cleavland and sandusky ohio next week, to check out the 32, who's up for a beer?

[liquid]

There is also a 1999 29 sst 454 mags here in southlake TX loaded up , that I was considering, with 180 hors ext sterring exct. that I can get for 59,000 was his offer to me, but I think I'll stick with the 32 unless the 36 comes through

[OUTLAW 29]

Hey liquid,

I hope you’re not pissed at me regarding that 2001 29 that you referenced. I know you know a lot about used boats but that $69,000 boat just looks “rough”. That price of $69,000 is great and perhaps that boat would be great for someone to beat around in for a year but for the long haul – I don’t know. That boat just looks “rough” - especially for a 2001.

[liquid]

29,
No I have no problem at all , I haven't personally checked the boat out, I might refer it to someone that I think it may suit, but I wouldn't prefer it for myself either, But I was wondering if mabye you were pissed at me when you made the troublemaker comment or if it was a joke. I was'nt quite sure how to take that, it's all good:cheers
I am really easy going, some people just have the wrong idea from previous situations that didn't even include me, but I would rather not even go there:cheers

[Makesmehappy]

Seize n Ticket, I am curious about cockpit size, Our 265 has lots of room and can handle 6-7 adults comfortably. My wife and I have 3 little ones and always seem to have others in addition out on the water. Groups are more fun!! The cockpit on my old baja was the first reason we bought it. Then all the other benefits began to show themselves, this website for example!! Now when I look at other bajas, Their cockpits also seem alot bigger than other performance boats, However my brother lives and the lake and boats with the four seasons golf pro who he says has a 25ol. According to little brother the 25's cockpit is alot smaller than ours. I appreciate your input. :rocker

[jb outlaw 25]

Hello.
I've been looking at the 29's for some time now and was just curious if anyone had been in one with 6.2's? I'm guessing the performance would be about the same as the 7.4's. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Jason

[hp500]

Jason
My 29 had twin 454s 310 it GPS at 66. I may be wrong but I would think the scorpions would be a little faster. Not as heavy as the big block but have the same Hp 310:skull

[OUTLAW 29]

But I was wondering if mabye you were pissed at me when you made the troublemaker comment or if it was a joke.

No way man - just joking.

I think it's that picture that does it. It has "troublemaker" written all over it. It should have a caption that say: "hey buddy, suck my wake"

:bigwave

[ckmansell]

Actually the 6.2's are 320hp. So you would be looking at a total hp gain over the 7.4's of 20hp. The boat will be about 400lbs lighter. I am guessing you might get about 1 or 2 mph faster than one with 7.4's.

[liquid]

Tanks 29, We have a ball at that baja run, blane brings the factory 40 every year, you should come on down in april

[Seize n Ticket]

Makesmehappy,
As far as the cockpit, I am not sure how much room you have in your specific boat. We have plenty of room for what we do. We usually don't have more than four or five adults and it works out fine. I would say six is the limit if you all want to be comfortable and have a seat. Unless you want some to ride down in the cuddy...which the girls always do in the cold, rainy weather.

[thosetwins]

Just like liquid said got a great deal on 29ol twin 496mags and all goods and a triple axel trailer for just over 87k. @OSO i go by new29ol. NOW THATS A:smokin deal!!! . Buy low and sell high. Do your homework and dont let them dealers screw your legs off. SEE YOU AT THE LAKE.:biggrin

[Seize n Ticket]

Talked with BTM this weekend at the St. Louis Boat Show and was informed they sold all of their 29's (six) they has in stock over the weekend. This was a very popular boat for LOTO...sorry to see it go.