Proposed Legislation for LOTO

[Seize n Ticket]

Go-slow legislation

Camdenton rep's bill would open door to no-wake for large boats in small coves

By Joyce L. Miller/Lake Sun

LAKE OF THE OZARKS - State Representative Wayne Cooper, R-Camdenton, says a two-part bill he is introducing next week is the first step in protecting the rights of property owners in small coves and preserving the recreational quality of the lake.

Cooper says the proposed bill would do two things: increase funding for the Missouri Water Patrol by raising boater registration fees and ease the requirements for property owners in small coves to apply for no-wake buoys.

Cooper said he expects the no-wake portion of the bill to receive as much attention as the boater registration fee proposal. The no-wake portion of the bill would limit boats 26 feet and larger to idle speed in small coves where 75 percent of the property owners agree to the restriction.

The proposed bill requires property owners to petition the Water Patrol as part of the process of obtaining a buoy permit. Under the proposal the decision on issuing permits would still rest with the Water Patrol.

Under current Water Patrol guidelines, buoy permits are issued for areas where there is a safety concern. The Water Patrol does not issue permits based on property damage from boat traffic.

There are more than 2,000 mapped coves on the lake and nearly 3,000 permitted buoys, according to information provided by the Water Patrol. It is unknown how many of those coves would qualify.

"This is definitely a hot topic, especially for those who want to enjoy personal watercraft and skiing on the lake," Cooper said. "There needs to be some areas protected against the excessive wakes not only for recreational reasons but to protect the lake. I am not opposed to large boats but if you look at the loss of life and the number of boats that capsized last summer on the lake, we need to take some steps."

Cooper said he does not want large boats to overrun the lake and send smaller boat owners to other lakes. Cooper said the proposed bill addresses both issues

Cooper says that as the number of large boats on the lake increases, so do the complaints about property damage from the wakes they leave behind.

Cooper said it is also becoming more difficult for the owners of smaller boats to find areas off the main channel to enjoy water-related activities.

"The bill allows property owners who own property located in coves with a mouth width of 400 feet or less to have the option to have the cove designated by the Water Patrol an idle no-wake cove," Cooper said.

"The idle no-wake restriction would only apply to to boats 26 feet or longer and would be in place only on Fridays. Saturdays, Sundays and holidays from Memorial Day to Labor Day," Cooper said.

[TeamBajaMarine]

As much as I do not like NO WAKES, (We have many in New York where there is an abundance of waterfront property, boat slips and marinas) I do agree with having NO WAKE ZONES for safety and to protect someone elses investment. If I owned a house on the water with my dock out back, I would not want go fasts zooming by at 80 MPH and reckless jet skiers.

[Seize n Ticket]

I am curious to here the reactions of the true boater...you guys & gals.
I personally think this sucks in a very big way. I will post my thoughts at a later time as I am a little pissed off :reallymad after reading this.

[ckmansell]

I kind of look at it this way. SAFETY ONLY!!! As far as for expanding it to protect property. Well, the water was there first. If you make a decision to build knowing the risks, you get your just rewards. In other words, dont come in, buy up property, and expect to change the current boat traffic. The traffic (and lake) were here first and you knew it when you signed your name on the dotted line.:reallymad

[missouri]

"The bill allows property owners who own property located in coves with a mouth width of 400 feet or less to have the option to have the cove designated by the Water Patrol an idle no-wake cove," Cooper said. there aren't too many of those anyway....

(though I bet it don't pass)....in fact, I don't think it covers enough....something has to be done about these "HUGE Cruisers" and young people driving Daddy's 1000hp boats....you guy's w/ the outlaws just happen to be included which is unfortunate because you use caution and boating courtesy.....
However I don't think it's gonna help that much because the damage done is mainly on the channels and bigger coves which don't seem to be covered so why propose it in the 1st place...oh yeah, election year!

In other words, dont come in, buy up property, and expect to change the current boat traffic. The traffic (and lake) were here first and you knew it when you signed your name on the dotted line. I think thats why people are bitchin...in the 70's you could run the lake W/o in a 18 f'ter...80's a 25 would handle it....now it takes a 40 f'ter...18's are getting swamped in their slips...

[MXBAJA421]

Something has to be done about these HUGE CRUISERS and young people driving daddys 1000hp boats
That's the problem= But there are people with truck loads
of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
so getting any laws changed will not happen any time soon.

It comes down to being respectful and courteous of
others boaters and property.:skull :skull

[haulinvols]

Don I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts. We do not have a problem with this around here as most of the coves are shallow water. No cruiser in his right mind would be hauling @#$ in the coves here. We have had quite a few property owners complaining that live on the main channel. All I can say is if you are stupid enough to leave your boat in the water for any length of time and not keep an eye on it on the shore of a main channel (with large, and I do mean large barge traffic) you deserve what you get. I am tired of these multi millionaires buying up all the land up and down the main channel and moaning and complaining about my boat passing over 100 yards off shore full throttle. If you don't like the noise and traffic you should not have bought the property. OK i'm done ranting now.:reallymad

[Seize n Ticket]

Guys,
Here is what bothers me about this proposal.

#1 There is a current Missouri State Statue, which allows for residents who reside in a cove of 400' or less to petition the Missouri State Water Patrol for "No Wake" buoys...as long as they have 75% of land owners agreeing to it. So I don't see what Cooper is trying to change here...other than he says he is going to make it easier for those people to get this "No Wake" restriction. Cooper tell us how please!

#2 Aside from the "No Wake" buoy restriction is anyone else bothered by Cooper wanting to raise "Boater Registration?" For whatever reason this seems to slide right by most people...maybe due to being so upset by the "No Wake" issue.

#3 Cooper says the increased boater registration money would go towards funding MSWP. Please explain exactly what you mean here. Fund them in what manner...more officers...more DWI check points...protecting property owners land???

#4 Cooper wants boats 26' and under to be the only ones who have to obied by this new "No Wake" restriction. I guess a 22' boat pulling skiers or tubers running 20 MPH does not put out a wake. Or how about the Sea Doos that run up and down the cove all day long at 70 MPH within 40-50 feet of the dock...this currently happens now!

#5 What about the 25% of the people who don't agree with making the cove no wake, I guess they give up their rights of being able to pull their kids behind the boat. Hell, maybe that is why they bought in that area, in the first place.

#6 Under current Water Patrol guidelines, buoy permits are issued for areas where there is a safety concern. The Water Patrol does not issue permits based on property damage from boat traffic. Then why is Conner speaking about property damage if safety is the concern.

#7 "This is definitely a hot topic, especially for those who want to enjoy personal watercraft and skiing on the lake," Cooper said. Why they won't be affected by this proposal unless they are over 26', I don't know of any personal watercraft over 26'.

#8 Cooper talks about boats being capsized last year; however, he does not give statistics for this nor does he give the MSWP definition of a "Boat."

#9 I agree the waves are big...on the main channel...do we "No Wake" this to?

#10 Cooper said he does not want large boats to overrun the lake So then do something about it that will make a difference. I don't see this stopping larger boats from coming to the lake. Make a restriction on the size and weight a boat can have from this point forward.

#11 "The idle no-wake restriction would only apply to to boats 26 feet or longer and would be in place only on Fridays. Saturdays, Sundays and holidays from Memorial Day to Labor Day," Cooper said.I guess a boat don't make a wake during the week time.

This whole thing stinks and is a very upsetting for people like myself who have been going to the lake most of our lives. The people I boat with are courteous and do the right thing. Let's get real and do something that makes sense not just try to win yourself more votes in your area for another few years on easy street.

[haulinvols]

I'm curious, have they made any mention of how much they are going to raise the registration fees? They raised ours a few bucks a while back, if I remember correctly, but to be honest I have not seen any changes that they made with the extra money. Our fees in Tennessee are: (prices are one two and three year)
16 feet and under $10 $19 $28
Over 16 feet to less than 26 feet $20 $38 $56
26 feet to less than 40 feet $30 $57 $84
40 feet or more $40 $76 $112
Dealer/Manufacturer $25 $50 $75
Duplicate certificate $5
I have never looked at what other states pay to know if we have it good or not. I can tell you for the number of boats on the water here, you rarely ever see any law enforcement. Even on weekends. I may have to do a little digging and find out exactly what our fees support. Man, this topic will make you think!:huh

[Seize n Ticket]

Matt,
Here are the fees we pay in Missouri, unless of course it gets changed with this proposal:
Schedule of Fees To Register Your Vessel
If the transaction is a... Then your fee is...
New title for a vessel $7.50
New title for an outboard motor $5.00
Registration of a vessel Class A $10.00
Class 1 $20.00
Class 2 $30.00
Class 3 $40.00
Registration of a motor $2.00
Transfer title of a vessel $7.50
Transfer title of a motor $5.00
Duplicate title of a vessel $7.50
Duplicate title of a motor $5.00
Late fee $10.00
All watercraft and/or motors must be registered and titled within 30 days of purchase.

[missouri]

That's the problem= But there are people with truck loads
of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
so getting any laws changed will not happen any time soon.
They may have the money...but the resorts, restaurants, gas stations, so on, pay a lot more taxes into the area, have the resources to talk w/ more people, and will take the time to get others involved...a small group of rich people don't have that kind of power at the lake unless they buy the people w/ the power...so would Alhonna resort go in the red so Kronke's kid can bust up ppl's docks...no way! It's not an effective change, and that would be why it won't pass....

All I can say is if you are stupid enough to leave your boat in the water for any length of time and not keep an eye on it on the shore of a main channel (with large, and I do mean large barge traffic) you deserve what you get.what about the people who are just staying at a resort....the 18 f'ter I referred to was a young couple from Iowa on vacation with 2 kids...but it's the docks that are getting tore up, along w/ lifts, boats , and seawalls of average ppl. ....the majority of the filthy rich live in the coves...

Let's get real and do something that makes sense not just try to win yourself more votes in your area for another few years on easy street. :shocked Politicians do THIS! :( LOL...

[Big E]

Don - I agree with some of your opinions and disagree with some also. As far as protecting property owners, I think that is a good idea, the cruisers have gotten out of hand. Any person who is willing to invest in lake front property at loto, pay thier taxes and contribute to the community has a right to enjoy it safely, meaning being able to swim off of their dock with kids and not get swamped or drowned when a cruiser goes by. It is the cruisers that are doing all of the property damage, their wakes are so large because they are unable to get up on plane.

Here is what I would like to see.

1. Speed restrictions on cruisers, meaning boats over a certain gross tonnage, a tonnage large enough to account for cruisers and not go fast boats.

2. I would also like to see property owners have that right to make a cove 400 ft wide or less a no wake cove, after all a 400 ft wide cove is small.

3. I would also like to see all pwc banned from being operated in the main channel. This would eliminate a lot of accidents and deaths.

4. I would like to see a maximum size of boat allowed on the lake restricted to 46 ft in length.

5. No one under the age of 18 should be allowed to operate a boat unless a guardian is present, this includes pwc's.

I know none of the above will ever happen, however, its nice to dream. The really need to do something about the pwc's, soon, very soon.

This whole no wake thing really chaps me, they actually moved the buoys in closer to our docks at our condo which makes our dock even rougher. The wife and I are looking to buy a house this spring, we have been shopping pretty hard lately and the most important thing we look for is nice calm water. If you have ever had your boat docked at a rough slip, you would understand. Try putting your boat on a lift and just when the hoist comes up out of the water to grab your boat, a cruiser goes by and generates a huge wave, then the wave comes to the dock picks the boat off the hoist in the middle of trying to raise the boat up and slam the outdrive against the cross arm of the hoist. 2 Outdrive skeg rebuilds later, you could appreciate how I feel. Just venting here. You said it all when you said courtesy, people need to watch what other people are doing in the water when they are driving by in a boat. If I come into a cove and I see skiers or tubers in the water, I always slow down and stop my wake, especially if there are kids trying to get into a boat or trying to get their skis on. People need to respect each other.

[Makesmehappy]

The above examples are exactly why we love the house at the 5 mm on the little niangua. It may be a little further to get anywhere, but docking and the kids swiming are rarely the adventure I imagine others having to go thru. The big cruisers are almost non-existant that far out.:party :rollin

[Seize n Ticket]

Missouri,
Residents currently have the ability to petition for a "No Wake” cove, if it is 400' or less. This must be done through the Missouri State Water Patrol (MSWP), with a 75% approval from the residents of that particular cove. That was one of my points on the proposal by Conner…what exactly is he trying to change. I have had my boat(s) in just about ever kind of dock and water situation possible at the lake, since I have been boating there all of my life. I do understand what you are saying about the cruisers, as I have cussed them for years. I also understand they have as much right to be there as I do. The thing that pisses me off is their lack of respect for others on the water. I guess when people have that kind of money they figure they can do whatever they want. I don't see this proposal as a way to prevent the cruisers from doing what they do. Also, let's not forget this proposal suggests an increase in our boater registration fees for funding of the MSWP and their efforts. Again, please explain how this funding is going to be used. I have seen numerous MSWP let a cruiser go by making a wake in a no wake zone without ever making contact with them. This happens every weekend in the no wake zone under the bridge at the mouth of the Grand Glaize. I guess they are more interested in “drunk hunting” then dealing with the petty no wake violation.

[missouri]

I agree with you, I also agree w/ Big E....

The legislation does nothing really...

I say keep the SHIPS (or big cruisers) in the middle of the channels when powered up, not 100 ft from shore, and make 'em slow down coming into coves and leaving and enforce it...
Keep PWC's within 250' of shore w/ some sort of direct line rule when crossing the lake...if they see one jumping wakes in the channel fine $500..
Same for cruisers 100' from docks putting out even a 2 ft. roller...that would cure most of it and saves a few lives.

I'd pay more for more WP officers...but when 4 are in the Party Cove and 2 in the no wake zone, that pretty much leaves the rest of the lake open for whatever...

As far as bouy's at Big E's condo's...If I remember right.
you can put them out as far as 1/3 of the lakes width at that point and pay an assessment on sg. ftge covered...they may have moved them in to save some money....if you don't get a house look at those drive-on lifts I keep harping about...it'll solve your problem, part of it is out of the water all the time and it holds the boat for you...I leave mine trimmed up a little and in gear to keep it straight until I feel the lift rising and I'm right on the Big Niangua channel and it's always rough on weekends.

[bottomless pit]

I'd pay more for more WP officers...but when 4 are in the Party Cove and 2 in the no wake zone, that pretty much leaves the rest of the lake open for whatever...
Yeah!!! this about sums it up.
They need to work on the rules that they already have!!!!!
Waterskiing 10 feet from my dock.
Fishing without a license??? :hehehmm
Whats up with kids riding on the bow in the main channel with a 5 foot chop???? :x
PIT:reallymad

[haulinvols]

Pit, I agree. I am is a different state but from what we see around here, the state needs to worry about enforcing rules and regulations that they have already passed. Instead they keep proposing new laws that they do not have the man power to enforce. My personal gripe is when people hang out in the MAIN CHANNEL. It is usually the wake boats all congregating rafted up together watching each other do tricks. Sometimes there will be 4 or 5 boats sitting in the channel causing problems, and don't get me started on the PWCs. Hey don't get me wrong, they are fun, but there is a time and place for everything. We had a kid all last summer that was hotdoging his Yamaha around my friend's dock, when we asked him to stop, he just flipped us off and kept on going (he was about 14 years old) it goes back to one thing. RESPECT.:cigar

[Seize n Ticket]

Missouri,
I agree with on the Cruisers (Ships). Good luck getting that one through...LOL I think Matt sums it up very well...people need to be respectful of others. Unfortunately, we all know this is never going to happen in today's society. I consider myself lucky as far as not having rough water at our dock. If and when we move you can bet my decision will be based on certain issues mostly the dock and water.

[ckmansell]

Any person who is willing to invest in lake front property at loto, pay thier taxes and contribute to the community has a right to enjoy it safely, meaning being able to swim off of their dock with kids and not get swamped or drowned when a cruiser goes by.

So let me get this straight. It is you position that just because a person wants to invest and build on undeveloped land. He now has the right to tell me dont come back to this cove?

I have been boating, tubing, skiing in several coves since I was seven years old. Some of which are less than 400 feet wide. I do not for one minute think it is fair that someone can come in, buy property, make the cove no wake, (which they do not own) and run me off from a place I have loved and enjoyed all my life.

I would rather suggest this, when purchasing, do your research, scope out the property, watch it, see how much water traffic there is. If it is too much for your liking, THEN BUY SOMEWHERE ELSE! Do not come in then try to muscle me out. The water is there for all to enjoy. It is not your private cove. As long as I am compliance with the laws, (you too, I see property owners trying to sneak bouy's out more than 100 feet a lot) we all should have no problems. JMO.

[missouri]

I really don't buy that it's new "HOME" owners bitching ck....
Take Craigs area for example....Craigs condo's are built at the mouth of the cove....Quackers gets more popular and more traffic.....there's a house for sale behind Craigs w/ 800' of lake frontage on a point, you get another 50-100 condo's built there....then you have older docks trying to take the punishment of all that new traffic and PWC's, wake 's of bigger boats....encapsulated foam to replace the old foam docks....some politician screaming "We have to do something" in a election year= a lot of bitchin....my niece lives back there in the no wake arm to the right of that cove an they are waiting to see what happens to that 800' lakefront property across from them before they build a new house on their property..

Look what happened at the Glaize bridge....new developments = a f'n 2 mile no wake zone....when ppl. wanted to go to the PC last year on holidays I loaded my boat on the trailer and put in at the public ramp right by PC...not as much fun, but I ain't taking a 24 f'tr 20 miles in that water...
But all that pales in comparison to those f'n fisherman "fishing w/o a license"... LMAO Pit...I really find that funny because my niece has a lot of ppl. at there place and WP busts them at least twice a year for that in a no wake cove arm at the 36mm....

I wanted to be on the channel so I could see the boat traffic, quiet cove was to boring....while looking at a house at 19mm...I found a resort where I could lease a 2 bedroom cottage waterfront...26' boat slip and use of more if I need them....huge Martini deck over the water right in front of me....boat ramp...swim area..free storage....utilities paid....gas pump that I can put my own gas in....only 10 ppl. total leasing and only 3 of us spend any time there...Hwy. 5 frontage I can park boats on to sell....the owner and I are friends and he keeps a cottage open for quests of his that I can use for company free....no taxes, upkeep, furnishings....
from March 1st- Dec. 1st........$5,500 a year....so I have no right to bitch, but I see what Tom goes through keeping the docks repaired.

[Big E]

I think that if someone has owned property in a cove, storing their boat there they should have more rights than someone driving by in a boat. Think about it this way. If you live in a neighborhood street in STL or KC and you have a house and a yard, lets say you live on a cul-de-sac, (I think that is a good comparison to a cove, one way in and one way out). Lets say your kids play in your front yard, however cars are constantly driving down your street (lets say to look at your neighbors ridiculous Christmas light display where he went way overboard) and a kid got hit by a car, don't you think the people that live there have the right to put a slower speed to all of the traffic? This happened on my street, a kid down the street got hit by a car, because a guy down the street went overboard on his Christmas display, some guy driving out of our street after looking at the display was going over 40 mph in a 25 and hit a 10 year old that lived down the street. It was dark and he did not see him not to mention speeding. My other case is that I have a condo at Heron Bay, Dorsey's Pit Stop (I love the place) moved in about 2 years ago now boats are constantly disobeying the no wake buoys causing havoc to our dock. Now late last summer someone complained about the buoys asking them to be moved out further towards the end of the cove. So water patrol went out to evaluate the buoys and discovered that they were already too far out, so they moved them IN CLOSER TO THE DOCKS AT HERON BAY!!!!! WHAT SENSE DOES THIS MAKE??? ITS RIDICULOUS! YES, Property owners should have more rights. Just my opinion. I know someone will disagree with me, I'm not going to argue.

[Seize n Ticket]

Big E,
It sounds like you need temporary speed bumps installed on your street when the holiday season comes. Just kidding...I understand what you are saying. It all goes back to being a responsible & respectful person. Not to be a whiner but you need to write down the boat numbers of those who come in to your cove making a wake and forward them to the MSWP, especially, if it is causing damage to your docks there. Our dock is in a no wake area at the 10mm by "Frankie & Louies." This place has become very popular and the boat traffic has more then tripled. Most boats pay attention to the no wake area; however, not all. This has caused several neighbors to call the MSWP about the problem. Now we have the MSWP sitting in our no wake area every weekend. The problem has ended. People slow down way before the no wake buoys and idle all the way in. My point is someone needs to make the MSWP aware of the problem so they can take enforcement action. BTW Dorsey Pit Stop is a favorite of several of the guys on this board. I have never been there personally, so maybe this summer we will have to meet there for lunch with a group of us from this site.

[ckmansell]

......CLOSER TO THE DOCKS AT HERON BAY!!!!! WHAT SENSE DOES THIS MAKE???

Makes perfect sence if they were illegal. No wake bouys cannot be more than 100 feet from a dock. A lot of property owners try to sneak them out a little further. So therefore they violate the laws themselves yet complain about boaters not following the laws.

I think they call those people hypocrites.:thatsfunny

[Big E]

Don - You should try Dorsey's its worth the trip, good Bar-B-Que they go pretty cheap on the plastic seats and tables in their outdoor dining area though, we go there at least once every weekend in the summer because we can walk there from our condo, we see at least one person a month fold over one of the legs in there cheap plastic chairs and fall over, its pretty darn funny to see that until it happens to you, believe me I know, beer had nothing to do with it:cheers . This summer Shelly and I will definately have to meet up with you guys. Its funny, Shelly says that we should be pretty reserved about meeting people that I talk to on the internet, I had to laugh, one time I saw Craig's post, because his wife said the same thing. I disagree and now after meeting some fine folks we tied off to this summer, I think I have changed her opinion about meeting strangers. I hope we can meet up this summer. Eric

[bajacraig]

Big E
The wife is still the same. BUT .........
Pit, Don, Curt, Chad, Mark are all great people. :cheers

We had a great year and look to have more great time this year.
The Team (BajaMarien/LOTO) kicks A$$ :rocker

[Seize n Ticket]

Big E,
We will try to meet one day this spring and let everyone meet and I am sure you guys will enjoy the group. We all like to do the same things...boat...:cheers ...sun:dancingjalepeno ...:cheers ...:party ...well you get the picture. :rollin

[bottomless pit]

:readthis Check this out.The Rep. that was sponsoring the bill to restrict coves under 400ft in width to NO WAKE changed it at the last minute to be NO WAKE IN ANY COVES!!!!

Here is the Story!!www.lakesunleader.com/art.../news1.txt (http://www.lakesunleader.com/articles/2004/01/19/news/news1.txt)
You guys in his jurisdiction better flood his e-mail or once they start they will not Quit!!!:headspin

[MXBAJA421]

Next, there will be a daytime speed limit, I guess I won't
have to worry about setting any speed records with
single 29 outlaw:trampoline

[Seize n Ticket]

Guys-this is exactly why I posted this proposal in the first place. If you remember I asked several questions concerning what how this was different then what was already in existence :readthis This option was already there to apply for a "No Wake" cove. Now right before this is voted on Conner changes it to include all coves :nono I must say this sucks in a big time way. This is typical of today's politician trying to sneak something through at the last minute. Think about it...every cove. It would take me 30-40 minutes every time we leave our dock to make it to the main channel and like wise when returning home :reallymad I hope and pray this does not pass...hopefully, enough people see this before it goes to a vote. Missouri boys it's time :armed :samurai

[bajacraig]

It would take me 30-40 minutes every time we leave our dock to make it to the main channel and like wise when returning home

Not me, :trampoline

I wonder if my property value just went up. :party

Just jackin with ya
You know this would kill some businesses. look at your cove, they got to be PISSED.

[Seize n Ticket]

If it passes I will be PISSED :armed

[RoyalsFan]

I understand what they are trying to do, but it really sucks!

I grew up on the 7 mile marker and if it weren't for boating in coves, I never would have learned to ski!

can you imagine being a kid learning how to ski on the main channel?:spineyes

And what exactly will qualify as a "cove". Some of the longer narrow ones go on forever! It would take an hour to get to your boat dock.

[missouri]

can you imagine being a kid learning how to ski on the main channel?:bigsmilebounce They would be one hell of a skier...:) They could compete in the Catalina run at 13....

[bottomless pit]

I think the "No Wake" is for Boats 26 feet or longer.

[ckmansell]

Wouldn't that pi$$ ya off Pit? You and I would be idling down Buck Creek cove back to BTM from the island, and some 25 O/L goes screaming by at 70mph.>: Legal!

[bottomless pit]

Would be a he__ of a run on 25 Outlaws. Maybe Id buy Blakes.
:winkgreen

[MXBAJA421]

It's a NO GO for no wake
zone.
Remember what I posted earlier there's way to much money
at the L.O.T.O. to get chit pushed threw:dancingjalepeno

[ckmansell]

I thought it wouldn't pass. Hell, 95% of the politicians voting own property and a boat there. They are not going vote themselves out of being able to use their boats.

It is just a smoke screen to make the residents down there think that their rep is doing something for them.0]

[TrainWreck447]

glad to hear it didnt pass, congrats everyone

[Seize n Ticket]

Chad,
Has this already failed? If so, where can I find the information on it. I read an article from the Vacation Guide on LOTO, which talked about trying to pass a new law outlawing glass containers on boats. They are losing their freaking minds down there. I guess they get really bored in the winter.

[MXBAJA421]

I'll get the info and get it posted, What no bottles in the
boat, before you know it they will outlaw thongs:beathead

[bottomless pit]

Here is the storylink: www.lakesunleader.com/art.../news3.txt (http://www.lakesunleader.com/articles/2004/02/17/news/news3.txt)


before you know it they will outlaw thongs
WOW That ought to be against the law.:x
PIT:x

[MXBAJA421]

I got the (Y) taken care of- dddoohhhhhhh:beathead

[Seize n Ticket]

Thank you...Yes, we have another year of fun a head of us! :biggrin